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This is the sign of someone who has never been in grad school
OP is not in school anymore. What obligation does he have to stay silent?
I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
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Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
#342A more subtle form of misconduct is not with the technical results, but with fraudulent activities.
A close friend of mine got his professor kicked out due to fraud. Furthermore, the professor was using university research grants to cover expenses of his poorly performing startup via bogus reimbursement claims and was also using the university researchers' labor and results to be products (that unsurprisingly didn't sell and didn't benefit the researchers). All this while the professor is at the comfort of his home even before work-from-home was a thing (because staying at home made transportation tax deduction profitable).
The professor has a habit of plagiarizing his researcher's manuscripts so he can attend miscellaneous conferences (field-trips). In some cases, dropping the researcher from the co-authors of the new plagiarized work. There is a shared excel file of massively self citing scientists shared a couple years back, and that professor is in the list.
As far as the world is concerned, this professor is a prolific scientist with many (last-authored) publications and prestigious talks (that should have been presented by the researchers) who happened to recently "transfer" to a different university and stopped publishing.
Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
#343> Science is supposed to be self-correcting. I admire the author's belief, not least because I used to be like that, but I personally think that couldn't be further form the truth for contemporary scientific research, and it's no better in evidence-base physical sciences. I personally know many people who used to be, or still are, in scientific research who wouldn't hesitate to agree with me that scientific research…
Basing your own work on something that doesn't work is incredibly frustrating and can lead to enormous amounts of wasted effort. It doesn't even have to be fraud, there are so many factors you often can't fully control, and reactions can depend on very subtle details or minor impurities. My impression is that usually the informal communication about stuff "that everyone knows doesn't actually work" is far more effici…
> It doesn't even have to be fraud...
I absolutely agree -- we all make mistakes and scientists are no exceptions. In my case, I honestly believe that nobody except for the student who manipulated the said NMR spectra initially committed any fraud.
As for what my PI did (or didn't do for that matter), that's really up to interpretation. Even in the unlikely case that nobody had told the PI, in the 10 years prior to my arrival, that the reaction doesn't work as advertised, there really aren't any excuses for not responding to my e-mails and simply brushed it off when I had told him what the issue was face-to-face.
> ... there are so many factors you often can't fully control, and reactions can depend on very subtle details or minor impurities.
I also agree. I left out the technical details earlier, here are a few other things I haven't mentioned:
* I had friends and colleagues check my calculations.
* I had friends and colleagues check the analytical data of my substrates and catalysts.
* I borrowed the same catalyst that a coworker made for her own reactions, which was made recently then, and it didn't work for the reaction I was trying to reproduce.
* I hunted down previous batches of the same catalysts in the entire building, none of them worked for the reaction I was trying to reproduce. It is worth noting that the catalyst is very stable under ambient conditions.
* I used my own batch of catalyst on other types of reactions reported in the literature and it worked as expected.
* The reaction is not supposed to be water/light/oxygen sensitive. I did try the reaction with and without Schlenk conditions, with and without light excluded, and combinations of them. Nothing worked.
* At some point I even had a few coworkers looking over my shoulder to see if I was doing anything wrong.
* When I used 10 times the amount reported in both the relevant paper and the PhD thesis, the reaction profile I observed was then consistent with what was reported.
> I'm curious what kind of artifacts you saw there, did they just remove or add signals?Those artifacts happened in multiple spectra, there were three main types:
* In proton spectra, signals were just removed without much effort made as in noise simulation at the baseline. In addition, the signals removed were not just solvent and water signals. This is back in the days when signal removal wasn't so prevalent and accessible in everyday spectrum-processing software. Signal-removal in synthetic chemistry should never be allowed in the first place.
* In carbon spectra, there were regions that looked like signal truncation at first glance, but were definitely signals that got edited out (~0.3 ppm wide regions) and replaced by a straight line.
* In carbon spectra, in my friend's (who was an NMR practitioner then) words, "it looks like someone has DRAWN A VERTICAL LINE IN BLACK AT [multiple regions in ppm]". For context, I sent her high-resolution images for comments without telling her what they were or the issues I was dealing with.
There were other kinds of artifacts that I was less sure about, such as inconsistent phasing across different parts of a spectrum that hinted at parts from different spectra were stitched together.I should note that not all of these spectra were related to what I was doing, but the spectra relevant to the reaction I was trying to reproduce had all of the artifacts listed above.
> It would be nice if someone published that this method doesn't work, but that doesn't seem to be how this works. The amount of effort to actually demonstrate that it really doesn't work is so much higher than the reward.
I think at that point the effort has usually been made and it's fear that stops people from disclosing such misconducts. My then PI was not a typical scientist, and "powerful" is the first word that comes to mind to most people when describing him (before "brilliant", "charismatic", etc., which also apply to him). Even though I had decided that I didn't want to do chemistry anymore pretty quickly after that, I never had the courage to try to correct any of it for the following reasons:
* I wasn't sure how it would affect my ex-bosses.
* I wasn't sure how it would affect the careers of those who are associated with the group.
* I wasn't sure how it would affect the status of my fellowship. I had already decided that I wouldn't do chemistry anymore after my contract was up, but I didn't want the extra burden of having to explain to future employers about what happened.Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
#344Earlier quoted context omitted.
Josiah's videos about demystifying the COVID vaccine all got taken down, then the entire channel got shut down. Super disappointing move by YouTube. It was definitely one of my favorite channels for science education.
(squinting suspiciously) ... exactly why did they get taken down? The Algorithm has a well-earned reputation for being capricious, but there's also a ton of good-sounding bullshit out there.
Theories abound, but most/all of these platforms don't have to provide an explanation, and the end-user has little to no recourse on the natter: so far its been youtube, patreon and facebook none of which have followed up. Here is Josiah on an alt platform (odysee) explaining the situation through his eyes [0].
It's sad to see a pioneer of Biohacking dismissing p2p solutions like torrenting and even Bitcoin in order to bypass the censorship, but I think a lot of this just has to do with the clunky nature of its former or perhaps even current UI/UX for people with limited time or attention or familiarity with tech solutions, especially since it was so easy to use Youtube to distribute your content with just a simple click.
I honestly could have him up and running in a day or two with a solution just in case Paypal does in fact shut him down, that would interface with Fiat/CC payment upfront and convert into BTC if needed: the reason BTC is needed is because paypal or bank accounts can shut you out of your funds if you are already a target. It would mainly be a settlements network and only be slightly more steps than what he is used to, as well. But he is right about volatility as that cannot be helped as of right now.
I kind of want to reach out, but I'm dealing with more than I want at the moment due to COVID in my family, but its something I'm considering because Josiah is such a massive inspiration to us Biohackers that deplatforming from the big platforms should be the canary in the coal mine. They even shut down his Patreon!
0: https://odysee.com/@BiohackThePlanet:3/biohack-the-planet-wi...
Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
#345You are not fighting science, you are fighting politics. China obviously wants to forbid violent movies and games for minors, so they come up with these fantasy studies. Very similar phenomenons also just happened in the west, where news and politics wanted to suppress critical scientists. News was stronger. You also have to fight corruption all the time. Paid studies are constantly published to support some companie…
Makes sense overall, but why would they care about getting it published in an English-language Western journal? If they just want to convince their own people they can publish it in state-owned media, and it's not a democracy so it's not like they really need to convince anyone.
So independent confirmation from westerners has its value.
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#346Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think people have to get more serious about separating science as a procedure from scientism (that is, philosophical issues that are often discussed in tandem). When one uses the phrase, “science denier”, it often means, “you don’t agree with my philosophy/metaphysics/economic policy” rather than “you deny these particular facts”, which causes people to be rightly concerned. I’m not optimistic that this is going to…
Since I read Seeing Like a State , I've started to think "charlatan" whenever I hear the word "science". As in "scientific forestry", "climate science" (scientists who study Earth's climate call themselves meteorologists), "scientific racism". Is "computer science" an exception? I'm not game to speculate. Which actual scientists describe themselves that way? We're physicists, geologists, botanists, psychologists or w…
This is just incorrect. Meteorologists don't study Earth's climate, they study weather. Meteorologists don't use ice cores or tree rings for their research, they study much shorter-term fluid dynamics. Climate scientists do study climate, and not weather. The disciplines are related (specifically, they're under atmospheric sciences), but to dismiss either one as being less scientific is picking favorites despite all evidence to the contrary. I suppose you could use the synonym "climatology" if you want a word without "science" in it, but it seems like a pretty silly heuristic regardless.
Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
#347Earlier quoted context omitted.
> how can we achieve the same in healthcare, that is let outsiders contribute and advance the state of the art? The Biohacking community is actually really adept, and had made a lot of progress in making Science accessible, prior to COVID you had teams already working together across continents and different time zones. So when someone like Josiah Zayner wanted to tackle a COVID vaccination trial on himself and other…
Josiah's videos about demystifying the COVID vaccine all got taken down, then the entire channel got shut down. Super disappointing move by YouTube. It was definitely one of my favorite channels for science education.
It seems from his twitter that he even left Oakland for Austin since December when that all went down.
But then look at how WSB was shutdown when it presented a real threat to the establishment. I think this is the same thing happening, but Josiah and the CDC were actually just informing people how gene therapies work in the most biohacker/biopunk way, which is near and dear to my heart for reasons I already explained.
Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
#348Earlier quoted context omitted.
You're absolutely right - the big question of the day is not just "how do we counter disinformation?" but "how do we counter it at scale?" The bad-faith actors of the world have realized how incredibly cost effective disinformation is in an online world that can massively amplify messages, and which algorithmically selects for divisiveness and "engagement" rather than factually and utility. We need a CAPTCHA for trut…
Isn't the answer well know (improving education and encouraging critical thinking), but unsatisfying because it is hard to implement and changes only crystalize slowly? If everyone were to e.g. request sources for claims instead of taking them at face value that would act similar to a CAPTCHA and prevent the spread of misinformation.
Ideally you have a cache of extremely long messages where you selectively quote small sections of sources, out of context, that seemingly prove your point but on careful reads are unrelated or actually contradict.
But there's ten or fifteen "sources" and by the time you read through the post, all the articles posted, and form a coherent argument contradicting it, they've already posted a bunch of other places and/or the thread has moved on.
That's the ideal case where you're inclined to waste 20 minutes arguing agaisnt a comment on the internet and there isn't a mix of legitimate sources with total bull shit sources forcing you to do a secondary hop to prove a point agaisnt the fake source.
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#349Earlier quoted context omitted.
OP is not in school anymore. What obligation does he have to stay silent?
What obligation does UW have to listen to him? Better to make a fuss on Twitter and let this get to donors who will have a thing or two to say to the department chair and head of school/deans/provost/president.
Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?
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My cousin was a student at a lab where a sketchy grad student doctored results too. She was majorly sketched out by the whole thing and that the PI supported the whole op. It was very painful and set her back a bit but she managed to switch to a different lab and do proper work, defend her thesis, graduate, and get far away from those people. Now we just shake our head in disbelief at them but at that point it was fa…
Every now and then I go through some of wikipedias sources on certain social topics because I don't trust them at all. The amount of BS I've found in papers, even though I don't eve have any research background at all is impressive. My favourite was probably this one paper where the author essentially made a reddit-post asking a community about themselves, then cherry-picked (the post is still up, with timestamps and…