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Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by ace_of_spades » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:11 AM UTC

Teever wrote: post #494

ace_of_spades wrote: post #487

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I don’t really get it. Why do we keep telling people that it is support worthy to engage in name calling? Is it alright to let kids call teachers names at school? “This fucking imbecile wants me to do homework! Fuck that shit!” Maybe that’s ok now since Trump made it acceptable but it certainly wasn’t considered to be appropriate for a long time. It’s not free speech, it’s derogatory speech (for either side of those…

“Take away the right to say ‘fuck’ and you take away the right to say ‘fuck the government.” -- Lenny Bruce I've never really understood the drive to banish profanity or insults. The purpose of language is to communicate ideas and I see no reason why it should be unacceptable for someone to express their disapproval at a situation or individual in the succinct way that profanity provides. If anything profanity is far…

I mean, you do have a point.

Obviously, your choice of words becomes limited if you refrain from using offensive language. And given our predisposition towards rage and anger to give attention this seems like an important “tool” to have at your disposal.

But as the incentives stand right now, accepting this kind of behavior is likely to trigger a race to the bottom as more and more speech get’s radicalized (in either direction) as people realize it is more powerful and can grab people more easily. We see this in the republican party. We need to find stop lines for this madness and find a somewhat stable equilibrium. Some places might be overreaching in moderation but this is to be expected as it’s difficult to find the right line as we don’t really have an understanding of the “proper” balance yet.

And my point is really that I am not sure what triggered this need for redress in the first place. Why is it so important to use spiteful language now? Couldn’t we have stayed more civil in the first place? Why should we support this shift?

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by offby37years » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:12 AM UTC

technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

Hate speech has been wilfully misconstrued to mean speech you hate.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by camjohnson26 » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:13 AM UTC

bobby_bob wrote: post #448

oehpr wrote: post #374

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I haven't heard anything to suggest that the short sellers are forced to buy back the stock either. This is a stock has clearly caught public's attention, Once the hype cycle is over, why wouldn't it regress to the mean? Who's going to believe that the stock stays at this level over the long term? Fun to talk about though. This is a very entertaining story.

Also fun, Australian company "GME Resources", trade on the ASX as GME, got to 40% up from its Monday opening price. I wonder if this is a clever-ish social media algorithm trading, shrewd fund managers or really just desperately mistaken retail traders.

The stock Signal spiked after Elon Musk said to use signal, has nothing to do with the app. A different Zoom spiked at the beginning of COVID. A lemonade company in 2017 put blockchain in its name and watched the stock price soar. Hertz went way up after declaring bankruptcy. I’m willing to bet this is clueless speculators.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by agumonkey » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:14 AM UTC

sneakernets wrote: post #499

agumonkey wrote: post #490

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discord is filled with 'snowflakes' (apologies if that seems insulting) I'm only a sample of 1 but on IRC I never felt surrounded by trigger happy mods. on discord I got regularly kicked without notice for some not even heated argument. if I extrapolate, this side of the web is becoming a way for people to craft tiny bubbles to fit their own little views on life.

I really think it's just the majority of Discord users being from everything but IRC. Discord servers filled with former/current IRC users rarely have any issues in my experience.

Yeah it might be a matter of culture/maturity/experience. But so far the majority of servers I ended up on [1] were filled with people that had this mentality trait. It was unsettling.

[1] topics could be from science, to collapse, to dev ..

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by nextlevelwizard » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:14 AM UTC

eMGm4D0zgUAVXc7 wrote: post #497

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #478

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Problem is there are no competitors worth mentioning.

Disclaimer: Excuse me if my statements are possibly utterly wrong due to me not having ever used Discord. Wikipedia says: > Discord is an American VoIP, instant messaging and digital distribution platform designed for creating communities. Don't we have a metric fton of instant messengers which support VoIP and some file transfer? What's so special about Discord? To me as an outsider it merely seems like the kids hav…

Settings up new "servers" is trivially easy and can be done without payment. You can join any number of servers with same account and retain separation (i.e. other users can not see a list of servers you are on). You can change your nickname on server-by-server basis. "Everyone" is already on Discord and by everyone here I mean every gaming community and many tech communities.

For TeamSpeak, Ventrilo, and Mumble (which were the big 3 in my youth at least) you have to have different clients, you have to pay for servers, and the chat support is very rudimentary and bad. Channels aren't as easy to create and admin. Lastly they don't support inlined links/images or emojis. Which makes them just as user friendly as IRC.

Discord took what was good about Slack's UI and added on top good VoIP. It might not be perfect but it quite literally covers most what anyone could want and it scales really well. To beat it you must have 100% feature coverage + another killed feature. First part probably isn't that hard, but the second is. There needs to be a reason to install yet another communication program on your PC/tablet/phone because all of the communities wont just uproot and leave to a new platform over night.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by jakelazaroff » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:14 AM UTC

6nf wrote: post #475

technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

I don't agree with the way you get your point across but I support your right to get your point across this way.

Sure, but I also support the mods’ right to ban them for getting their point across this way. Deplatforming is itself guaranteed by freedom of speech.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by GizmoSwan » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:18 AM UTC

reddit has a bad snuffing habit that is only getting worse.

The stock related discussions has been actually more overlooked. They are typically tolerated and rarely monitored closely.

Reddit is controlled via various cults and they control not just their own subs but also others belonging to other groups.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by system2 » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:21 AM UTC

oscribinn wrote: post #498

technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

I'm going to get downvoted for this for sure, but man it's nice to see a hacker news commentator that actually has a pair.

I always get this 50+ years old super serious programmer men talking about serious things and us under 40 years olds cannot say anything without their approval. I guess I am not alone.

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by pensatoio » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:22 AM UTC

technick wrote: post #474

Discord would claim its “hateful and discriminatory content” for anything in the fucked up reality we are currently living in. For instance, if you call someone retarded and a mod doesn't step in, that is considered hateful. Even though retard is in the dictionary and a widely accepted term by many people. Then saying that only retards buy the shit hedgefunds are peddling would also be considered discriminatory. I'm…

I agree. 100%

Re: Discord bans r/WallStreetBets server, subreddit went private for a while

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Post by trianglem » Thu, Jan 28, 2021, 6:22 AM UTC

TechBro8615 wrote: post #228

Blikkentrekker wrote: post #180

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Apparently 4chan floods with increase in traffic after such waves. 8chan , which was far better, went under for it though.

The fact that 4Chan itself has not been the target of deplatforming efforts is confusing to me. If I were to put my tinfoil hat on for a bit, I might speculate that it’s a honeypot that shares data with the feds.

4chan has been responsible for turning so many kids into racists using humor. I remember a whole period in like 2010 when there was a — before 4chan I used to see black people as “black person in a suit”, now I see black people as “terribly racist caricature”. I would hate to see it go but boy is that place the true breeding ground for hate.