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Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by prawn »

emteycz wrote: post #23
koheripbal wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit doesn't want the SEC breathing down their necks. They are looking for an excuse to ban them. ...and if they can't find one, the SEC will probably just order them to shut it.

Based on what do you think SEC can order random social media companies to shut down forums?

I have run a web forum for 15 or so years. There are often threads or comments I think should remain up, but that legal pressure pushes me to remove. There's "I think this is probably fair in a legal sense" and "I think this is probably fair in a legal sense and I'm willing to gamble my family's assets/wellbeing on proving that in court for the benefit of random forum users that don't care about me for a second."

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by yters »

neilparikh wrote: post #39
Nacdor wrote: post #31

> I read WSB daily for years and cannot recall a single usage of a racial slur. Same, I've been a subscriber of WSB since at least 4 years ago. I also check TheDonald.win (now Patriots.win) on a regular basis. Both are constantly accused of racism and/or white supremacy and yet I see none of either. People use terms like 'racist', 'nazi', 'fascist' and many others as synonyms for "any person or thing I don't like or…

> I also check TheDonald.win (now Patriots.win) on a regular basis. Both are constantly accused of racism and/or white supremacy and yet I see none of either. The 8th post on the homepage is this: https://patriots.win/p/11SK7JKMbx/guess-what-my-favorite-thi... , and the top comment is a list of racial slurs for Asian/Chinese people. There's a few other threads that include similar lists, as well as comments making fu…

Yes I browse regularly and there is definitely prejudice on display. However the general tenor is to downvote or at least not upvote such content. Certainly not as bad as I expected given their reputation. Leads me to see them in a more sympathetic light than as a bunch of racist revolutionaries.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by yters »

dane-pgp wrote: post #20
TeaDrunk wrote: post #8

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This is precisely what works, unfortunately. Each time you deplatform a group, only a certain percentage of the most dedicated users follow to the next iteration.

> only a certain percentage of the most dedicated users follow to the next iteration. And they become the seed around which the new community crystallizes. As the social media and tech oligarchies get emboldened to attack less extreme groups, the people who find themselves deplatformed end up taking refuge in the only sites that are prepared to stand against the ratcheting up of restrictions on speech. Don't be surpr…

Yes I didn't find out about patriots.win until all the deplatforming. These purges might be helping more than hindering.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by sebmellen »

ehnto wrote: post #32
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> a Discord spokesperson told Gizmodo that the channel had been banned “for continuing to allow hateful and discriminatory content after repeated warnings.” On both Discord and Reddit, WallStreetBets users frequently refer to themselves collectively as “retards” and “autists,” and have been known to deploy the kinds of racial slurs and deliberately offensive language that have become commonplace in 4chan-style postin…

Yet it wasn't an issue to them until this moment.

Btw, the SSL cert on polylab.co expired 7 days ago! Might want to check on that :)

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by jsploit »

ehnto wrote: post #32
sebmellen wrote: post #5

> a Discord spokesperson told Gizmodo that the channel had been banned “for continuing to allow hateful and discriminatory content after repeated warnings.” On both Discord and Reddit, WallStreetBets users frequently refer to themselves collectively as “retards” and “autists,” and have been known to deploy the kinds of racial slurs and deliberately offensive language that have become commonplace in 4chan-style postin…

Yet it wasn't an issue to them until this moment.

They were banned after "repeated warnings". It's possible that those warnings began before these market movements.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by neilparikh »

yters wrote: post #42
neilparikh wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also check TheDonald.win (now Patriots.win) on a regular basis. Both are constantly accused of racism and/or white supremacy and yet I see none of either. The 8th post on the homepage is this: https://patriots.win/p/11SK7JKMbx/guess-what-my-favorite-thi... , and the top comment is a list of racial slurs for Asian/Chinese people. There's a few other threads that include similar lists, as well as comments making fu…

Yes I browse regularly and there is definitely prejudice on display. However the general tenor is to downvote or at least not upvote such content. Certainly not as bad as I expected given their reputation. Leads me to see them in a more sympathetic light than as a bunch of racist revolutionaries.

These posts are on the front page, and the comments are top of the threads. How does that result from "downvote or at least not upvote such content"?

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by Nacdor »

neilparikh wrote: post #39
Nacdor wrote: post #31

> I read WSB daily for years and cannot recall a single usage of a racial slur. Same, I've been a subscriber of WSB since at least 4 years ago. I also check TheDonald.win (now Patriots.win) on a regular basis. Both are constantly accused of racism and/or white supremacy and yet I see none of either. People use terms like 'racist', 'nazi', 'fascist' and many others as synonyms for "any person or thing I don't like or…

> I also check TheDonald.win (now Patriots.win) on a regular basis. Both are constantly accused of racism and/or white supremacy and yet I see none of either. The 8th post on the homepage is this: https://patriots.win/p/11SK7JKMbx/guess-what-my-favorite-thi... , and the top comment is a list of racial slurs for Asian/Chinese people. There's a few other threads that include similar lists, as well as comments making fu…

Cracking jokes about censorship isn't racism, and your exaggerated, inaccurate description doesn't make it any more so.

You must be fun at comedy shows...

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by neilparikh »

Nacdor wrote: post #47
neilparikh wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I also check TheDonald.win (now Patriots.win) on a regular basis. Both are constantly accused of racism and/or white supremacy and yet I see none of either. The 8th post on the homepage is this: https://patriots.win/p/11SK7JKMbx/guess-what-my-favorite-thi... , and the top comment is a list of racial slurs for Asian/Chinese people. There's a few other threads that include similar lists, as well as comments making fu…

Cracking jokes about censorship isn't racism, and your exaggerated, inaccurate description doesn't make it any more so. You must be fun at comedy shows...

Did you actually click the click the link and look at the very top comment? It's full of racial slurs and making fun of Chinese people. And it's not even average Chinese people doing the censorship, it's Biden. So they're going after the wrong people anyway.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by yters »

neilparikh wrote: post #46
yters wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I browse regularly and there is definitely prejudice on display. However the general tenor is to downvote or at least not upvote such content. Certainly not as bad as I expected given their reputation. Leads me to see them in a more sympathetic light than as a bunch of racist revolutionaries.

These posts are on the front page, and the comments are top of the threads. How does that result from "downvote or at least not upvote such content"?

I must admit the list is not as extreme as I expected given your comment. It is par for the course of what I see on the site.

I am not saying the group is good. There are indeed many lightly veiled hints towards violent armed insurrection, as the members fear imminent communist takeover of the USA. But it is best to carefully characterize the forum as the whiplash of overreaction can push people to be more sympathetic to their claims, and feeds their oppression narrative. I have certainly felt this effect.

Re: Where do we go from here and who is going to step up to help us?

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Post by neilparikh »

yters wrote: post #49
neilparikh wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These posts are on the front page, and the comments are top of the threads. How does that result from "downvote or at least not upvote such content"?

I must admit the list is not as extreme as I expected given your comment. It is par for the course of what I see on the site. I am not saying the group is good. There are indeed many lightly veiled hints towards violent armed insurrection, as the members fear imminent communist takeover of the USA. But it is best to carefully characterize the forum as the whiplash of overreaction can push people to be more sympatheti…

"Ch*nk flu" is clear racial slur. The rest of list is based on stereotypes of Chinese people. The key thing is that regular Chinese people aren't even responsible for the virus or the censorship (the censorship was done by Biden, a noted non-Chinese person), so targeting them seems misplaced and clearly racist.

> It is part for the course of what I see on the site.

Well yes, if a site is full of racism, a comment with racism in it is "par for the course".

Edit: To reply to your second paragraph that you added after I posted my comment:

Yes, I understand where they're coming from, and that they feel like US is under attack. However, it should obvious to anyone that China isn't governed by the average Chinese person; it's governed by the CCP. By choosing to insult and make fun of the average Chinese person, they're clearly engaging in mean-spirited racism (which has lead to increased racial violence against Asians), and that has to be condemned as the racism it is.

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