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GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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There are 100 cows. A hedge-fund believes that the milk consumption will go to zero, so they borrow the 100 cows for one month and sell them for $1 each. Then they borrow them again, and sell them once more for 90c. Certain that they will worth $0 at the end of the month A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available. Her plan is s…

> A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available.

This is a common misconception, but fundamentally wrong. Every short sell has an equal but opposite buy. Therefore every share shorted creates a new synthetic long share. Alice owns 100 shares. Bob borrows 100 shares from Alice, then short sells them to Chuck. There are now 200 shares long available to buy back- 100 owned by Alice and 100 by Chuck.

Therefore it's easily possible for short interest to be well over 100% of the float. There's no upper limit, it could literally be 10,000% of float. Shares sold short, can then be re-borrowed for new short sellers in an arbitrarily long chain. It's the same way that fractional reserve banking creates money out of thin air. It starts with a small set of "hard assets", then lends, say 90%, of them out to other banks. Those banks then lend out 90% to other banks. And so on, until the system has 10 times the money supply it started with.

Now, the reason that high short interest may result in a short squeeze is because usually some percent of longs at any given time tend to be long-term investors who are unlikely to sell. If, say 66% of investors are long-term holders, then short-interest above 50% could create a squeeze. If float's a million shares, then they'll be 1.5 million shares long and 500 thousand shares held short. But 1 million of those shares will be held by long-term investors. Therefore there won't be enough immediate buyers if all 500 thousand short sellers liquidate in a short period.

But... With Gamestop this logic makes no sense. At $300 per share, no one is a long-term investor. Nobody is buying or even holding at that price because they think the company is worth $10 billion (more than five times higher than its 2007 peak). Since there are always more shares held long than short, and since every share held long is held in anticipation of a short squeeze event, then even in the event of a massive unwind there will still be more sellers than buyers, and the price will fall, not rise. In fact during this whole price runup, short interest has actually increased. So clearly it's not short squeeze driving the melt-up.

The only reason Gamestop is going up is because of Tulip-mania. It's a classic bubble. Some early people on the hype train reaped eye-popping gains as more jumped on and bid up the price. That attracted even more attention, more buyers, and higher price. Like any classic bubble it requires an ever-widening net of greedy but foolish patsies to jump in at the bottom of the pyramid.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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> Hedge-fund cries foul. Doesn't like being beaten in it's own game. Have any of the hedge funds actually cried foul?

Who do you think complained to the SEC and is having them investigate?

I mean...

Do we know if anyone actually complain to the SEC? I know they put out a statement they are monitoring it, but it's rather hard to miss, especially when noticing weird market trends is literally your job, unless they've said something otherwise it seems likely they did that on their own initiative. Especially when congress members (i.e. your bosses) have been putting out various statements about it...

If there was a complaint there are also lots of other options than hedge funds... banks, mutual funds, pension funds, etc...

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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There are 100 cows. A hedge-fund believes that the milk consumption will go to zero, so they borrow the 100 cows for one month and sell them for $1 each. Then they borrow them again, and sell them once more for 90c. Certain that they will worth $0 at the end of the month A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available. Her plan is s…

I agree. The anger seems like an ancillary phenomenon. People seem to be buying because they think it's a sure thing that the asset price will increase. Maybe anger at shorters helps justify exploiting their error, but it's not the primary motive.

Yeah, I think the anger is a device for keeping each other from selling, but has nothing to do with how this situation arose.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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There are 100 cows. A hedge-fund believes that the milk consumption will go to zero, so they borrow the 100 cows for one month and sell them for $1 each. Then they borrow them again, and sell them once more for 90c. Certain that they will worth $0 at the end of the month A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available. Her plan is s…

Can you provide some factual basis for these claims? We can type out claims without foundation endlessly; the Internet demonstrates that well; what we need is real knowledge and facts.

This explains it

https://i.redd.it/9micoqswusd61.gif

The “short interest” is very factual and if you are not able to corroborate that on your own someone else will have to chime in

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

#715

There are 100 cows. A hedge-fund believes that the milk consumption will go to zero, so they borrow the 100 cows for one month and sell them for $1 each. Then they borrow them again, and sell them once more for 90c. Certain that they will worth $0 at the end of the month A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available. Her plan is s…

> A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available. This is a common misconception, but fundamentally wrong. Every short sell has an equal but opposite buy. Therefore every share shorted creates a new synthetic long share. Alice owns 100 shares. Bob borrows 100 shares from Alice, then short sells them to Chuck. There are now 200 shar…

Naked short selling is illegal

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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There are 100 cows. A hedge-fund believes that the milk consumption will go to zero, so they borrow the 100 cows for one month and sell them for $1 each. Then they borrow them again, and sell them once more for 90c. Certain that they will worth $0 at the end of the month A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available. Her plan is s…

> borrow the 100 cows for one month and sell them for $1 each.

Who on earth is buying those cow for $1, if it is pretty obvious they are worth $0?!?!

By cows i mean GME, before the meme.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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I sold a GME call option with a strike price of $320 and expiration in July today for $200. A pump and dump by novices is easy money if you know how to play it. Everyone knows this is going to crash, the question is when?

There was a post on WSB yesterday evening imploring readers to exercise their calls instead of selling them, specifically to screw with options sellers. Caveat vendor.

Nit: caveat venditor

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not making claims, if that's what you mean. The burden of proof is on the person I was replying to.

There is no burden of proof on anyone. The person was simply explaining a concept, known as a short squeeze. A short squeeze is a well known financial concept. It is not a claim. It is a concept.

was there a double blind study proving the existence of cows in the first place? I don't want to be mislead.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A Redditor notices this. She knows that in a month's time, the hedge-fund will have to buy 200 cows, and there are only 100 available. This is a common misconception, but fundamentally wrong. Every short sell has an equal but opposite buy. Therefore every share shorted creates a new synthetic long share. Alice owns 100 shares. Bob borrows 100 shares from Alice, then short sells them to Chuck. There are now 200 shar…

Naked short selling is illegal

not for hedge funds.
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