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GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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> These points doubtless make me appear to be a complacent shill for the financial industry, talking down to the rubes. For the record, I’m still angry about the way workers were ripped off in Britain more than three decades ago, and about the way the little guy ended up bearing the brunt for the financial implosions of 2000 and 2008. But it looks horribly to me as though the same thing is going to happen again — and…

I think the author is arguing here that the solution to combating institutional gambling via trading is not to allow retail investors to also gamble. Should someone who has no idea what they're doing be able to leverage themselves up 100X to buy a call/sell option by pressing a few buttons in Robinhood because they read about YOLO stock on Wallstreetbets? As someone who has lost a lot of money by following the Reddit…

It ruffles my feathers when I read that we should "combat institutional gambling via trading and not allow retail investors to gamble." Who died and made the author a moral decision-maker?

Is the problem that gambling is a 'sin' or is the problem that we're TRULY worried about people losing all their money and we want to protect them from themselves?

Do you want to put them in prison when they bet money on fantasy football or a poor person spends their paychecks on lottery tickets?

How far do you want to take this? FYI: states are moving to legalize gambling.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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Okay a serious question: at what point does it make sense for these hedge fund guys to just purchase reddit and shut it down? To be clear: I don't think that would work, but I think we're at the point where stuff like that is going to be tried. These guys are losing BILLIONS of dollars. Billions. Can they spend $1B to prevent the loss of $2B? (Is reddit worth more than $1B?) Other stuff I won't be surprised if we see…

If reddit were a public company today, it would have a market cap of over $100B. Public valuations don't follow logic anymore, it's just supply and demand.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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I am tired of this misguided narrative that pits retail and r/wsb vs big bad wolf Wall Street hedge funds. This is not David and Goliath. There are hedge funds with deep pockets on both sides. Retail traders do not run sophisticated algos to jam the price 15 minutes from the open because they want to neuter circuit breakers. C’mon guys...

> Retail traders do not run sophisticated algos to jam the price 15 minutes from the open because they want to neuter circuit breakers.

How is that legal?

> C’mon guys...

In this particular instance, even if it is rare, it does certainly feel like a David and Goliath story?

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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I call them 'professional morons'--high-profile who have a lot of status and money and clout in various tech and investment fields despite being sorta dim and banal

Rossmann is hardly rich. His whole brand is fighting Apple for right-to-repair legislation as well as a bunch of pro small business stuff. What exactly is wrong with this opinion on the oppressive covid lockdowns?

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Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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You sure about that? https://www.reddit.com/r/stocks/comments/l64xvw/gme_dedicate...

What is stopping Melvin Capital from lying about closing their position in order to deflate the stock price so they can actually close out their short position when they are due this coming Friday?

Yeah that is basically it. If you are safe why report on it? You don't gain anything. If you are in danger then a little lie doesn't hurt because even a tiny chance of success could mean billions of dollars for you.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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post #57

Okay a serious question: at what point does it make sense for these hedge fund guys to just purchase reddit and shut it down? To be clear: I don't think that would work, but I think we're at the point where stuff like that is going to be tried. These guys are losing BILLIONS of dollars. Billions. Can they spend $1B to prevent the loss of $2B? (Is reddit worth more than $1B?) Other stuff I won't be surprised if we see…

It would be much cheaper just to pay some kids to make nice looking but ultimately loss making bets on there. If WSB looks like a place where people go to lose money then it's popularity will drop.

>If WSB looks like a place where people go to lose money then it's popularity will drop.

Have you... seen WSB? Yes, it's absolutely a place kids go to lose money. It's literally a sub that glorifies stupid investment decisions.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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You're forgetting the stock is 125% over shorted. There literally isn't enough stock for shorts to cover their current positions. That's why there is potential for infinite, (huge) gains as long as everyone holds.

The company could issue new stock (to get a lifeline of cash from inflated price) I know someone who tried to convince VW management to do that during the Porche/VW squeeze. They didn't but I see no reason why another management team wouldn't act differently.

This would be the most hilarious resolution to the madness. However, the cynic in me sees management spending their time selling their entire portfolio to buy back when it hits $20 again.

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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You're forgetting the stock is 125% over shorted. There literally isn't enough stock for shorts to cover their current positions. That's why there is potential for infinite, (huge) gains as long as everyone holds.

As someone who's new to this world of stock trading but now understands what a "short" is, could you elaborate on this? How is it possible for a stock to be 125% over shorted? What does this mean?

There is 1 company, that company has 1 stock. Alice is the shorter and expects the stock to drop.

* How shorting works normally:

Alice thinks the price will lower this week. On Monday, Alice borrows a stock from Bob. She sells that stock immediately on Monday. On Friday at the end of that week, she buys a stock again and hands it back to Bob, plus a small fee for his troubles. If the stock price went down during the week, you can see that Alice made a profit.

* What happened for Gamestop:

Melvin thinks the price will lower this year. Melvin borrows a stock from Rudy. Melvin sells that stock, and unbeknown to him he sells it back to Rudy. Melvin borrows another stock from Rudy which unbeknown to him he sells again to Rudy. While there exists only 1 stock, Rudy now has 3 stocks of which he borrowed 2 to Melvin. Melvin owes Rudy 200% of all available stock, which he needs to hand back at the end of the year.

* What is the short squeeze Rudy/Reddit is currently doing on Melvin Capital?

Well, in reality, Melvin Capital has 1.5 stocks borrowed for every stock in existence (I'm not sure how much of the total stock was actually liquid, so I'm not sure how many rounds Melvin needs to go through to cover all their shorts).

Today it is the end of the year. Melvin needs to hand Rudy back the stock. However, the only person he could buy it from, is Rudy himself. Now Rudy is free to set an arbitrary price for his stock AND meanwhile buy up all other available stock at ridiculous prices. The only stock Melvin can buy, is from Rudy, or from other people at at least Rudy's price point. And Melvin needs to buy that stock to then hand it back to Rudy, after which Rudy can sell it yet again at an even higher price point for Melvin to hand it back again. Rudy makes a lot of profit, by squeezing out Melvin after making the market illiquid and overpriced. Effectively, the game is such that the entire capital of Melvin is now for Rudy. Melvin must buy something from Rudy, no matter how high Rudy sets his price.

An alternative is for Melvin to borrow another stock from Rudy, handing it back to cover for the last borrow. However, this way Melvin is only digging himself into an even deeper hole stacking up fees (the fee Melvin pays for Rudy's troubles is currently at a 130% interest rate).

* What is on the line?

Melvin Capital is 3 billion. The question is how much Reddit is Rudy, how much stock Reddit managed to control. If Reddit manages the squeeze, the squeezers will basically share among each other 3 billion. If Reddit does not manage, a lot of people will hold a lot of Gamestop stock at probably way lower prices than they bought.

Melvin Capital appears to have received a capital injection of 3 billion from Citadel today, doubling the stakes in an all or nothing with Reddit. So wallstreetbets is now standing to either gain 6 billion or losing a lot of money. Which sounds big to us, but is probably just another Wednesday for wallstreetbets...

Re: GameStop Is Rage Against the Financial Machine

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post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're forgetting the stock is 125% over shorted. There literally isn't enough stock for shorts to cover their current positions. That's why there is potential for infinite, (huge) gains as long as everyone holds.

The company could issue new stock (to get a lifeline of cash from inflated price) I know someone who tried to convince VW management to do that during the Porche/VW squeeze. They didn't but I see no reason why another management team wouldn't act differently.

The SEC spiked Hertz's attempt to sell stocks into a similar rally, so even if they try it's unlikely IMO that they would succeed.
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