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Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by cozuya » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:32 PM UTC

mellosouls wrote: post #312

cheph wrote: post #183

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> I know it sounds like he’s “poisoning the well,” but this comment answered the question I had in my head. I thought the source was left-leaning but the article had a conservative voice. Comment contradicts what is in wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newsweek#2018_investigation_an... Maybe ask for sources before using some random post making unverified claims as confirmation for your own biases.

The summary in Wikipedia may be correct but it is worth remembering that Wikipedia itself is hideously biased to the left at times in its coverage of political issues. I've generally taken that not to be down to malevolence but probably just down to the fact those drawn to editing it are most likely of a similar political hue to those from academia.

What's the Occam's Razor of "everyone smart enough to be in advanced learning seems to have the same political bias", do you think?

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by jtbayly » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:34 PM UTC

kruxigt wrote: post #291

Vinnl wrote: post #265

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It could still result in a mob piling on them, which is exactly the behaviour they're arguing against...

I think large parts of the right has now come to the conclusion that it can not hold itself to so much higher moral standards than the opposite team, or it will continue losing and moving down leagues until there is no right team left.

People can downvote this, but I've literally read right-of-center people making this argument.

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Post by yters » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:39 PM UTC

throwaway316943 wrote: post #281

D13Fd wrote: post #15

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I honestly don't know why people use "post what you're thinking" style social media at all at this point. With employers being so sensitive, how can the cost/benefit analysis ever really result in a determination that it's a good idea to be active on Twitter/Facebook (or Gab, Parler, TheDonald.win, etc.)? Maybe that's part of what makes things get so extreme on those sites. The most reasonable people know enough not…

A bit of a tangent but, this is all the result of having people use their real names on the internet. I remember when there was a big push for people to create profiles tied to their real identities with the argument being that everyone would behave themselves if their real lives were connected to the things they did online. That argument is dead as discourse is now. Instead of well mannered discussion between opposi…

Haha I remember that argument. The thought was anonymity made people horrible to each other online. Turns out people are horrible to each other online regardless.

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Post by smaryjerry » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #391

secondcoming wrote: post #221

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> Twitter is super safe if you're on the far left For now. There is a deliberate tactic on the left to become more and more extreme. A sentiment expressed today that's totally fine may not be fine tomorrow. It will be used against you. The left will turn on itself once it has made Conservatism illegal.

The right just tried to burn down the House in the US, murder the government, and install a dictator because it didn't accept that it lost a fair election. Many on the right still can't, even now. If you want your philosophy to remain legal, acting like this is a very bad thing and not something that can really be excused - for any reason - might be a good start.

I think another post hit the mark here but generalizing people into extreme groups is a real problem. I know many people on the “right” and “left” that basically only agree with half of what their chosen party says, or maybe they only agree with one issue that is very important to them. On the left it is usually abortion and the right it is usually economy. My point is that saying things like “many” is not all or even a majority. Taking the capitol building riots, even the people present there were incredibly diverse in their mindset. There was a group of a couple hundred that had bad intents and there were several thousand that were actively stopping others from causing damage or fighting the police. There are many videos of people pulling rioters away from breaking windows and shouting at them to stop. The big problem is that the peaceful group didn’t mix with the rioting group soon enough. Trump was having a rally not even close to the capitol building meanwhile this other group started storming the capital. I find it similar when people get angry at like a “Google” employee for saying some obviously idiotic things. Sure an employee represents the company in some capacity but for companies that have tens of thousands of employees, there is almost certainty that some will behave badly. Now take mentality that to the over 70 million Trump voters. Each has their own individual reason for voting for him and lumping them together is no different than saying all men or all women are the same, the ratio is about the equal to genders. This gets exacerbated by media companies who will take one example and call that out as if it is the rule. I can’t tell you how many articles and new shows that say “some say” and use one tweet saying that as evidence as if it is a majority held opinion or representative of a whole. In the BLM protests it was reasonable was assume a lot of the rioters were not protesters or not there for the protest but that same standard was dropped for those at the capital.

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:45 PM UTC

hertzrat wrote: post #25

cblconfederate wrote: post #13

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but if a future employer asks to see some social credentials and they don't see any, they ll be suspicious

Social media accounts are not credentials, and that requirement is bogus for 99% of jobs unless your job is social media publicity

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Post by yters » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:46 PM UTC

deadbunny wrote: post #254

roenxi wrote: post #179

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Technically; people can't post to thedonald.win either. It has been closed down too.

It was closed due to their single financial backer pulling out, not due to being "cancelled" though.

Supposedly he was being pressured by the media, so it was a cancelling of sorts. The reasons are documented at the rebranded site.

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Post by Person5478 » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:47 PM UTC

loveistheanswer wrote: post #392

Person5478 wrote: post #371

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It blew me away when the ok symbol somehow became a white supremacist symbol. I couldn't believe people would actually allow white supremacists to have so much power over them that they'd circumvent such a benign symbol.

If my meme history is correct, the okay symbol was created as a troll on 4chan, and the media took the bait

That's unfortunate, I know it had consequences for atleast 1 person who didn't understand the implications (I'm thinking of the driver who got recorded making the symbol).

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Post by GoblinSlayer » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:54 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #242

thu2111 wrote: post #226

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The person in question wasn't fired for "random takes" but rather being seen in the vicinity of services that have been seen in the vicinity of people making decidedly non-random takes on political matters. And now she, perhaps correctly, believes she is the victim of religious and political persecution. As for not being mass hysteria, from the outside looking in it's clearly exactly that. Firing someone because of a…

> The US left appear to be descendeding into full bore anti-conservative hysteria. The corporate actors involved here are nowhere near the left, they are closer to the center-right; the problem the Trumpist faction is facing isn’t that the Left doesn’t like them, its that they’ve earned the firm enmity of the centrist factions that, even when they opposed conservatives them on certain issues, kept good relations with…

That's disagreement, not enmity. Conflating the two is hysteria.

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Post by AlexandrB » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:55 PM UTC

cheph wrote: post #273

LarvaFX wrote: post #240

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Sorry that goes against the every-day experience of black people in the USA; one of the reasons so many people got on the streets.

Cite?

For starters:

[1] https://www.nyclu.org/en/stop-and-frisk-data

[2] https://www.prisonpolicy.org/blog/2018/10/12/policing/

And [1] is in ostensibly "liberal" New York city.

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Post by Threeve303 » Wed, Jan 27, 2021, 3:59 PM UTC

nojvek wrote: post #290

The most deadliest thing about Tech companies is how massive they are and going about their merry things while little ants like us get squished left and right. Also the whole cancel culture is crazy since it’s so trigger happy. In many ways it feels like a witch hunt. Someone says something, the crowd follows (without much evidence) and makes a ton of noise on social media. The companies see a hit on their brand and…

> Also the whole cancel culture is crazy since it’s so trigger happy.

I have given this a great deal of thought and I'm still torn on what to believe. On one hand, everyone wants to be judge, jury, and executioner. This means that the power the state has to determine these things is eroded. Probably as a result of the general loss of trust in institutions.

On the other hand, the United States specifically has a long history of what is considered community justice. Often this happens when the institutions to provide it do not exist yet or fail in their goals.

Similar to losing any kind of arbiter of truth, we are also losing truth in justice. Truth takes time, the mob is fickle, and the pitchforks are heavy.