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Vue Native (2018)

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Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by matchbok »

oakesm9 wrote: post #25
mrtksn wrote: post #22

What are the trade offs/Adventages to use cross platform tools for app development in 2021? The advantages of native iOS development, off top of my head: 1) Swift is very pleasant to use and it is fast. 2) The UI libraries that I need to learn: UIKit and SwiftUI. SwiftUI is also very pleasant to use and it is getting there. 3) No hoops to jump for integrating API that makes an App do things that WebApp cannot do. 4)…

The advantage is that you can access ~100% of the mobile market with a single codebase for about 10% extra work compared to native on a single platform. Performance is roughly the same and you have access to most of the platform features that most apps need.

10%? Try at least 50%. If you wanna do anything complicated you have to drop down to native, which is made more confusing because of the layers of abstraction.

RN, never again.

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by kj800x »

mrtksn wrote: post #22

What are the trade offs/Adventages to use cross platform tools for app development in 2021? The advantages of native iOS development, off top of my head: 1) Swift is very pleasant to use and it is fast. 2) The UI libraries that I need to learn: UIKit and SwiftUI. SwiftUI is also very pleasant to use and it is getting there. 3) No hoops to jump for integrating API that makes an App do things that WebApp cannot do. 4)…

At my work, my team is pioneering React Native development so I've got a couple of thoughts.

The main benefits for us come down to the fact that we have a large existing JS web application that would take a lot of energy to port to both native platforms (we know from experience, we tried it before). Using React Native, we can share a significant amount of the data and controller layers between web and native. This also means that when a feature gets written for the web, most of the work is already done on mobile (if it was written correctly).

The other key difference is the sheer numbers of each different type of devs we have. At work we have ~400 JS devs and ~30 each of iOS and Android devs. It's just not reasonable to expect the native engineers to be able to keep up. Exploring React Native lets us distribute the load of app development off of the native engineers and put it into some of the web developers. Arguably, an alternate solution would have been to just hire more native devs and I gave that suggestion to management, but that wasn't the direction they wanted to take.

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by purerandomness »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #41
u678u wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully one day we can get to where Visual Basic was in the 90's.

I regret Delphi is a niche product now as it's quite powerful now, with native apps also for mobile platforms. Pity that the Community Edition doesn't support Linux.

Worth a mention that https://www.lazarus-ide.org/ is aiming to replace Delphi, and runs on Linux.

They also seem to support app development for Android: https://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Portal:Android and iOS: https://wiki.lazarus.freepascal.org/Portal:iOS

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by donmb »

I was using Cordova with VUE.js and had fantastic results in both iOs and Android, using "Buefy" as my UI framework.

I started with Nativescript and ended up in building a WebView which I then simply included.

I haven't tested Vue Native yet but wanted to know why Cordova seems to be on the decrease :( I feel like I have to develop in Vue Native or Nativescript soon to not lose track. However, I always liked the Cordova/Vue combination and I could realise fantastic apps with it.

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by ragnese »

sago wrote: post #38
u678u wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully one day we can get to where Visual Basic was in the 90's.

I keep vainly hoping for undo/redo, configurable keyboard shortcuts, cross-app files, app help, you know... the wins of the Windows 3.x 90s. I'm honestly amazed some (especially undo!) were shrugged away so easily.

Can you elaborate? Undo/redo in what contexts? What applications had undo/redo besides for editing things?

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by hahamrfunnyguy »

mrtksn wrote: post #22

What are the trade offs/Adventages to use cross platform tools for app development in 2021? The advantages of native iOS development, off top of my head: 1) Swift is very pleasant to use and it is fast. 2) The UI libraries that I need to learn: UIKit and SwiftUI. SwiftUI is also very pleasant to use and it is getting there. 3) No hoops to jump for integrating API that makes an App do things that WebApp cannot do. 4)…

Depending on what the app does, developing a single native app is probably faster, more performant and easier than going with something like Xamarin, React Native, or a browser-based application wrapped in a native app.

That said, browser based apps make a lot of sense when your app is client-server application and don't need a lot of device-level functionality. This is especially true if your app needs to be a web app, mobile app and desktop app.

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by mrtksn »

that_guy_iain wrote: post #40
mrtksn wrote: post #22

What are the trade offs/Adventages to use cross platform tools for app development in 2021? The advantages of native iOS development, off top of my head: 1) Swift is very pleasant to use and it is fast. 2) The UI libraries that I need to learn: UIKit and SwiftUI. SwiftUI is also very pleasant to use and it is getting there. 3) No hoops to jump for integrating API that makes an App do things that WebApp cannot do. 4)…

> 5) Despite its bugs, Xcode is a good IDE that natively understand all the tooling I use. Autocomplete might break down sometimes but it can handle project creation, asset management, project configurations and the distribution. This seems like you have very low standards for what is good.

Please educate me, what is good? What I am missing out on?

I'm no stranger to Web tech, including JS on the browser and on the server side. It's hell compared to native App development using the native technologies.

I mean, it's so bad that the tutorials explaining the project setup phase can be hours long to follow. Scripts running in the background just to keep you in check and let you write more readable code that is no where as good as Swift(linter, transcompilers, packers oh god >:( ).

When Xcode misbehaves, I would clean the build folder or restart it and everything is back to normal.

It has been a few years since I did something for the web but please let me know if you have a magical IDE or a script or something that lets you do work on you actual code with no janitorial work. Did JS world become considerably better in the last years? Did npm swamp dried out?

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by sgt »

Flutter web is also becoming a viable option for web apps. I recently wrote a new app in Flutter and it works surprisingly well on the web, not just in native iOS and Android. It has some quirks though but I did not find anything serious.

Re: Vue Native (2018)

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Post by jamil7 »

robinei wrote: post #37
mrtksn wrote: post #22

What are the trade offs/Adventages to use cross platform tools for app development in 2021? The advantages of native iOS development, off top of my head: 1) Swift is very pleasant to use and it is fast. 2) The UI libraries that I need to learn: UIKit and SwiftUI. SwiftUI is also very pleasant to use and it is getting there. 3) No hoops to jump for integrating API that makes an App do things that WebApp cannot do. 4)…

Swift has the slowest compiler I have ever had the misfortune of using. The dev iteration cycle was unbearable for me in a Swift project the I inherited.

SwiftUI and Previews sort-of address this now but it's not really ready yet, Swift compiler is still slow as molasses though and SwiftUI itself seems to bring the compiler to it's knees sometimes (on a brand new M1 Mini). It will flat out stop type checking anything that it deems to complex so you end changing code to appeal the compiler sometimes.
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