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I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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Chinese researcher is full of shit and fabricates results, news at 11. For the haters, this is not racism but nationalism, China super incentivizes bullshit research at a high level these days, and it's gotten bad enough that we're starting to distrust any "work" that comes out of it. I don't know what the solution is, other than to subject Chinese submissions to more stringent and specifically non-Chinese review. Th…

>China super incentivizes bullshit research at a high level these days

Just as you'd expect from a "Chinese researcher", you're going to have to qualify this statement for your point to hold any weight.

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The article mentions Brandolini’s Law: “The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude larger than to produce it.” It's the first time I've heard it, but it's a very appropriate observation in today's world where misinformation travels faster and wider than correct information. If you're just making stuff up, it's much faster than looking up sources.

Information travels very quickly through a medium that wishes it to be true. You will find that the ability of the human mind to be critical, to refute with very salient arguments is suddenly acute when the mind doesn't wish it to be true, and this definitely also applies to H.N. comments. That H.N. in this case is so accepting to this one side of the story suggests to me that this is the side it seems to want to be…

#bothsides

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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My best friend went to UCSD for his PhD in biology. He was brilliant and had a nearly unique depth of insight into knotty problems and an incredible drive to progress the field. Unfortunately he was also a bit of an idealist with little real political sense.

In grad school he selected a difficult problem in the cancer space and worked on it in the lab for 6 years. His advisor thought he was on track for a Nature paper. Around the end of year 6 a very famous scientist who was on his larger committee decided he wanted the research for himself (apparently). He had one of his floater grad students (in their last years of grad school without any research of their own to publish) literally steal his data from his desk. They eventually published their ‘stolen’ paper in Nature themselves, before my friend could have finished writing it up by himself.

My friend found he was unable to compete with the reputation of this scientist and was repeatedly told to just move on - even his own advisor suggested that there was nothing to do about it and complaining to the university ethics committee would only hurt his career. He tried anyway, entirely unsuccessfully.

My friend was not able to move on. He left grad school with an exit Masters. He spent a few years in his parents house lost, then in institution really really lost. He eventually got himself together and built up the courage to try again (roughly 10 years later). He got into a good bioinformatics program on the opposite coast of the country. Eventually the same exact thing started happening to him again. Things got bad. I left work early one day to go cheer him up and long story short I found his body in the bathtub of his apartment. He was just not ready to go through it all again.

I still think about him every single day more than a year out from his funeral. I find myself unable to understand why some humans treat each other the way that they do or how they are able to get away with it. I’ve asked around and it seems like this is a fairly common occurrence, especially in circles around the original ‘famous’ scientist. These people basically killed my friend, don’t know it and probably wouldn’t care. They likely rationalize their behavior as the cost of doing science.

The system is absolutely disgustingly broken and much of published and celebrated science is, in one way or another, a lie. We need to stop making scientists into rockstars, especially those who somehow publish more papers in a year than physically possible. Each one of these untouchable individuals is followed by an unseen trail of ruined careers and ruined lives.

The field would not have suffered. My friend’s work would still have been published. The difference is that it wouldn’t have added to the myth of exceptionalism of this particular scientist - and maybe the floater grad student would not have gotten her PhD... but in the end my friend didn’t get his PhD either and now he isn’t here any more. Scientific prestige is not a limited resource and should not be subject to the tragedy of the commons.

My young daughter asks about him a lot and I have no idea what to say.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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This still don’t make sense. For example, I want to paint my house with a less toxic paint. I can’t trust any academic research. I have to now research what is toxic in paint? Then I have to find ways to measure various chemicals and gases? Etc... This seems like a complete utter waste of time. In real life most life impacting academic research is much more right than wrong. You are far better served assuming so. Unl…

I think what you’re missing is that academic research focuses on novelty, not basic facts. Ultimately not trusting novelty can save time. Basic facts can be found in reference material. So it’s more like suppose you want to paint your house green, and you read that somebody says you can mix red and blue paint to make a really cool green paint. Instead of immediately going out and buying enough red and blue paint to c…

What are "basic facts"? Surely the point of most research is to uncover new facts? And what is "reference material" if not other research - research that you're using as a foundation for your own?

It's fair to question things, especially if they don't make sense to you and even if acknowledged authorities are behind them. However, (1) something that you may question is not necessarily something I may question, and (2) questioning may be a waste of time.

If a paper that says mixing red and blue paint makes green paint has a thousand citations, perhaps you don't need to question it because others already have. If you can't reproduce it, the simplest thing to do is ask an expert who says it is possible to do it.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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More and more evidence that the magazine based publication route is a net negative to science.

Question is, why don't scientists just put everything on public platforms (read: github) and call it a day? Is it only a matter of funding, or do other factors also play a role in that?

For all its faults, peer-review is still the best mechanism to keep science in right track.

What you propose would mean twitter or facebook will replace those journals, people with huge twitter followings, or "celebrity" scientists would dominate science, the works of people without such marketing skills would get drowned out.

(This is sort of true for current system too, but I think situation would be much worse in new system.)

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> ... a swift two-month process ...

O, M, G. I’m really happy I’m not in a research field.

In my experience, China will do a lot to look good in research. Apparently up to and including falsifying data.

My experience is mostly in gaming university ranking mechanisms though (though arguably publishing lots of bogus articles helps there too), the increase in “research” output from China has been nothing short of amazing.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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Every now and then I go through some of wikipedias sources on certain social topics because I don't trust them at all. The amount of BS I've found in papers, even though I don't eve have any research background at all is impressive. My favourite was probably this one paper where the author essentially made a reddit-post asking a community about themselves, then cherry-picked (the post is still up, with timestamps and…

Did you edit the Wikipedia page or challenge the interpretation in the talk page?

Wikipedia itself has descended into the same pathologies you see in 'science' today: a bunch of gatekeepers who, by account of having been there the longest, have set up a moat of rules and 'culture' and such, to the point where newcomers are shut down or drowned out. I'm not saying it's impossible to get in; but only those that sufficiently mould themselves to the existing people and structures will last long enough to become fully accepted. And so the system sustains itself.

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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Chinese researcher is full of shit and fabricates results, news at 11. For the haters, this is not racism but nationalism, China super incentivizes bullshit research at a high level these days, and it's gotten bad enough that we're starting to distrust any "work" that comes out of it. I don't know what the solution is, other than to subject Chinese submissions to more stringent and specifically non-Chinese review. Th…

Why would it be racist? I have noticed in English-language discourse that often, shall-we-call-it, “non-white countries” are “races” but “white countries” are “nations”. Also, Christianity and Judaïsm are religions, but Islām is a race. Explain me that.

it's built into their culture it's hard to even blame them. I say this as politely as I can

Re: I tried to report scientific misconduct. How did it go?

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Many stories like this and people wonder why the general public is less "believing" in science lately. I think sadly the general public is right not to believe as strongly in science as it maybe once did, the results though are dramatic in "baby bathwater" kind of proportions. I think science should fix itself. Just publishing paper should not be the metric to reward. A retraction should seriously reward the flaw fin…

I sometimes think it's just a population problem. There are so many of everything and there's so much competition to be the best and succeed the rules and customs we have in place for most of the things is just ancient in comparision and it keeps getting older by the minute
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