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Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by kruxigt »

Vinnl wrote: post #265
scoot wrote: post #246

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linking to someone's public posts isn't "doxing". Publicly sharing their personal details (private email address, home address, phone number, etc.) or other private information as a form if direct or indirect harassment is .

It could still result in a mob piling on them, which is exactly the behaviour they're arguing against...

I think large parts of the right has now come to the conclusion that it can not hold itself to so much higher moral standards than the opposite team, or it will continue losing and moving down leagues until there is no right team left.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by user-the-name »

sitkack wrote: post #289
user-the-name wrote: post #274

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No. Letting hate like this fester is more like not treating a disease even when you see the symptoms, and arguing that it is better to know the disease is there. It makes no sense. This kind of hate SPREADS. Letting it be normalises it, and lets it spread. The antidote to this kind of thing is for the rest of society to loudly and clearly reject it, and make it very obvious it is not acceptable. Letting people keep s…

Hate is a mania, a meme that infects the host. It isn't just for us that we seek to stop it, but for the infected as well.

Yes, this is also a very valid way to look at it.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by p_l »

johnchristopher wrote: post #203
paperwasp42 wrote: post #22

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I have literally seen NYT bestselling authors talk about how they're super excited to publicly heckle an author at his next book signing. And join in on conversations promoting burning his book. His crime? Writing a female character who goes on the run, has limited food, and trains in martial arts--which leads to her losing weight. This was, apparently, fat-shaming and deeply sexist. The authors involved in these thr…

Ah, reminds me of the difference of treatment between Sam and Frodo in Lord of the Rings: >> Looking in a mirror he was startled to see a much thinner reflection of himself than he remembered: it looked remarkably like the young nephew of Bilbo who used to go tramping with his uncle in the Shire; but the eyes looked at him thoughtfully. > Pauline Baynes's illustration of the Fellowship, done while Tolkien was alive,…

FWIW, in Lord of the Rings, it was implied that the change in Frodo was due to carrying the One Ring, and that it was due to it that he couldn't rejoin normal life while the other Hobbits could (and in Shire, ultimately became much more famous)

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by kruxigt »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #21
D13Fd wrote: post #15

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I honestly don't know why people use "post what you're thinking" style social media at all at this point. With employers being so sensitive, how can the cost/benefit analysis ever really result in a determination that it's a good idea to be active on Twitter/Facebook (or Gab, Parler, TheDonald.win, etc.)? Maybe that's part of what makes things get so extreme on those sites. The most reasonable people know enough not…

I always suspected there's a little bit of survivorship bias (? not sure of the best term here) going on. If you haven't suffered the hoards, or had someone you know suffer them, you're likely to think some combination of "it only happens when it's justified" and "no one will care about little old me" I've witnessed it happen to a colleague early on in my career. He posted how trivial it was to cause an IoT device to…

Yeah, that sounds mostly really unlucky :(. I mean, anyone can understand that a company fires an employee that publicises a security weakness in a product instead of clearing it internally. However, when the employee doesn't understand that he is an "employee" of that company... Sounds like an unfortunate mistake.. you can be fired for those.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by ljm »

paperwasp42 wrote: post #22
D13Fd wrote: post #15

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I honestly don't know why people use "post what you're thinking" style social media at all at this point. With employers being so sensitive, how can the cost/benefit analysis ever really result in a determination that it's a good idea to be active on Twitter/Facebook (or Gab, Parler, TheDonald.win, etc.)? Maybe that's part of what makes things get so extreme on those sites. The most reasonable people know enough not…

I have literally seen NYT bestselling authors talk about how they're super excited to publicly heckle an author at his next book signing. And join in on conversations promoting burning his book. His crime? Writing a female character who goes on the run, has limited food, and trains in martial arts--which leads to her losing weight. This was, apparently, fat-shaming and deeply sexist. The authors involved in these thr…

If you go with the horseshoe theory then the far left is barely distinguishable from the far right. The only thing that changes really is the framing of the issue and the motivation.

If you're looking at people being criticised because they're not writing characters of their own skin colour or sexuality, or 'staying in their lane' with their culture, or because their own experiences don't conform to some expectation (like the author criticised for describing slavery but not how it was in the US), then you're still looking at segregation and oppression, but approaching it in a way that is falsely empowering. It is still massively authoritarian and oppressive and extreme, no matter how virtuous people think the left wing is, and it's certainly not liberal. There's just nothing good about being at the extreme end of anything.

But that aside, and with the crowds on twitter, I just wonder what it will take for people like that to be happy, and not perpetually angry. So much aggression couched in seemingly kind language.

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Post by Macha »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #288
Macha wrote: post #279

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When I was in primary school, handicapped was going out of fashion in favour of disabled (wikipedia tells me we were 10-15 years later than the US on that one, culture wasn't so instantly global then). A large part of this was that handicapped had been repurposed as an insult so there was a need for disabled (as happened for the previous terminology for mental disability, also). Of course even "disabled [person/peopl…

"Disabled" is being replaced by "differently abled".

That one was used pejoratively pretty much instantly, so never had much momentum, so my understanding is "person with disabilities" is the currently correct term.

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Post by mbreese »

jcun4128 wrote: post #194
D13Fd wrote: post #15

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I honestly don't know why people use "post what you're thinking" style social media at all at this point. With employers being so sensitive, how can the cost/benefit analysis ever really result in a determination that it's a good idea to be active on Twitter/Facebook (or Gab, Parler, TheDonald.win, etc.)? Maybe that's part of what makes things get so extreme on those sites. The most reasonable people know enough not…

I was lucky I became "self aware" in that sense. Granted I never posted anything that attacked people but I did clean up my FB that I haven't used for years to post/browse. Deleting stuff, hiding images, etc... Also try not to be doxable in general but sucks like when YT forces you to use your actual name in comments otherwise changing it would change it in email. Can make another account too. At least the comments I…

> That's always fun finding dumb things you posted online as a kid.

The older I get, the more I understand the push for a right to be forgotten. I wish that (most?) public sites had some kind of filter where things disappeared. There is no reason why comments made as a kid should follow you forever. Or, if not entirely removed, then maybe the authorship masked.

I mean, if bad decisions fall off your credit report after 7 years, why shouldn’t the stupid tweet you posted 7 years ago? This is especially true for accounts where the person was under 18 at the time.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by enkid »

cm2187 wrote: post #280
forgingahead wrote: post #113

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Honest question - it's obvious how you identify politically by all your posts here, but what has your comment got to do with the story? If it's a false story, say it. If it's not - what exactly are you saying with your comment?

Because the left-leaning orthodoxy of the moment is that you should under no circumstances read or watch any conservative media.

Do you have any evidence the "left wing" is in any more of an echo chamber than the right wing? Is this just personal observation or do you have something more to point to?

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Post by andrewclunn »

banana_giraffe wrote: post #21
D13Fd wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't know why people use "post what you're thinking" style social media at all at this point. With employers being so sensitive, how can the cost/benefit analysis ever really result in a determination that it's a good idea to be active on Twitter/Facebook (or Gab, Parler, TheDonald.win, etc.)? Maybe that's part of what makes things get so extreme on those sites. The most reasonable people know enough not…

I always suspected there's a little bit of survivorship bias (? not sure of the best term here) going on. If you haven't suffered the hoards, or had someone you know suffer them, you're likely to think some combination of "it only happens when it's justified" and "no one will care about little old me" I've witnessed it happen to a colleague early on in my career. He posted how trivial it was to cause an IoT device to…

So you internalized the censorship? Sadly pragmatic lesson there.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by vergessenmir »

user-the-name wrote: post #252
vergessenmir wrote: post #229

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A lot of people being the media in the US that pushes the narrative to the extreme. You could make the argument ( perhaps weakly for Parler now) that they are right leaning social platforms that contain extremes. The same way Twitter is left leaning and contains left and right extremes. Companies in the states appear to wear their political allegiances as a badge of honour eliciting an us-or-them reaction. Left and R…

> It's worrying and baffling that someone's source of income can be severed when there has been no evidence of misconduct. You have zero idea what evidence there is and isn't. The evidence has not been revealed by those involved, and it certainly hasn't been published in this short article you just read. You just assumed that "she used two sites" was the absolute entirety of the story.

The agency president tweeted in now-deleted tweets that Colleen was fired for using conservative platforms and that they do not condone this activity. Followed by an apology for any offence caused.

If there was further evidence she did not feel the need to disclose further. However it does appear that mentioning the association was enough justification.

Also the complaints that were aired didn't provide any further evidence other than the fact that she was on the platform. Again only providing the association as the source of the concern.

How do we get from that to a very public firing over a space of a few hours? More evidence may come to light but there are several things very problematic about this.

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