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CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by lumost »

IgorPartola wrote: post #119
lumost wrote: post #71

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The mistake people often make is mistaking a "fun" or "caring" atmosphere and demeanor of the company and assuming that that actually means the company cares about "fun" or cares for their employees. If there is anything that poses a risk to the company, interferes with an employees ability to serve the company, or in any way reduces productivity... there will be no difference between canonical and oracle or even can…

So to you there is no difference working for McDonalds or Canonical or Oracle? And what is your solution? Work for the government? Everyone should work on the family farm because families always treat their members better than anyone else and nobody gets exploited? Do not work at all? Again, this is like saying that if you push a person hard enough they will commit violence which immediately implies that all people a…

I vastly prefer working at a company that pays well and will attempt as far as a company can to care about me as an individual. My point was that it's a common error, particularly amongst people new to the workforce to mistake the impression of caring for actual caring.

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by 1996 »

dralley wrote: post #86
1996 wrote: post #74

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> the entire Linux ecosystem is gradually becoming RedHat ecosystem. No. Suse still exists, if you don't like Debian based distribution. But my money is on the Debians - and more specifically, on Ubuntu. For server stuff, Ubuntu is great - commercial support with various cloud providers, lots of prepackaged software (including the commercial software I use). For hiring, a lot of students run either Debian or Ubuntu o…

>meaning I don't have to teach them the intricacies of rpm like apt search is rpm -Q, apt install is rpm -i ... "rpm" is not an equivalent to "apt", it's an equivalent to "dpkg". The tool you would actually use is "dnf" or "yum", which isn't any more difficult to use than "apt" is. "dnf search" "dnf install" "dnf remove" "dnf list" etc. It's fine to prefer Debian / Ubuntu but please don't repeat information that's a…

> It's fine to prefer Debian / Ubuntu but please don't repeat information that's a decade out of date :)

Fair enough!

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by IgorPartola »

lumost wrote: post #131
IgorPartola wrote: post #119

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So to you there is no difference working for McDonalds or Canonical or Oracle? And what is your solution? Work for the government? Everyone should work on the family farm because families always treat their members better than anyone else and nobody gets exploited? Do not work at all? Again, this is like saying that if you push a person hard enough they will commit violence which immediately implies that all people a…

I vastly prefer working at a company that pays well and will attempt as far as a company can to care about me as an individual. My point was that it's a common error, particularly amongst people new to the workforce to mistake the impression of caring for actual caring.

Ah OK that makes sense. I have experienced working at companies that will go to greater lengths than others to accommodate their employees in lieu of profits or even profitability, but yes they all have their limits, just like individual people have limits on their altruism. It certainly is easier for an individual to be more altruistic than for a corporation.

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by pnutjam »

turminal wrote: post #84
pnutjam wrote: post #79

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Let me introduce you to our lord and savior OpenSuse.

Which uses systemd (developed by RedHat) and has package management built on top of RPM (developed by RedHat)

Btrfs, wicked, yast, Uyani...

Plenty if differences.

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by turminal »

pnutjam wrote: post #134
turminal wrote: post #84

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Which uses systemd (developed by RedHat) and has package management built on top of RPM (developed by RedHat)

Btrfs, wicked, yast, Uyani... Plenty if differences.

I'm not arguing OpenSUSE/SUSE isn't a standalone distribution, it's just that they have very important parts of the system dependent on RedHat.

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Post by adamcstephens »

mynameisash wrote: post #124
adamcstephens wrote: post #20

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Businesses aren’t your friends. Employers aren’t your family. Be wary of either group selling them as such.

I am hopeful that the idea of a B-Corporation[0] will catch on. While not perfect, my impression is that it would confer more benefit to their workforce and society as a whole than traditional S- and C-corps. For the uninitiated, B-Corps "must receive a minimum score from an assessment of 'social and environmental performance', [and] integrate B Corp commitments to stakeholders into company governing documents". Pata…

I like the B Corp model but would greatly prefer worker ownership.

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by pabs3 »

adamcstephens wrote: post #136
mynameisash wrote: post #124

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I am hopeful that the idea of a B-Corporation[0] will catch on. While not perfect, my impression is that it would confer more benefit to their workforce and society as a whole than traditional S- and C-corps. For the uninitiated, B-Corps "must receive a minimum score from an assessment of 'social and environmental performance', [and] integrate B Corp commitments to stakeholders into company governing documents". Pata…

I like the B Corp model but would greatly prefer worker ownership.

Igalia are a good example of a worker owned company in the open source space (and they are hiring):

https://www.igalia.com/ https://www.igalia.com/jobs/

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by [deleted] »

_joel wrote: post #30
HunterWare wrote: post #28

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No, it's because rocky shores were very hazardous to shipping, and a ship "on the rocks" was either close to, or in, immediate peril. The homage seems lovely, but doesn't (unfortunately) change the fact that to the vast majority of english speakers "rocky" means unstable/dangerous... In fact, one of the most common expressions referring to an unstable/bad relationship is "their relationship is on the rocks" or "they…

Well I'm British and whilst I understand the etymology of the phrase I really don't associate Rocky Linux with being an unstable distro, but each to their own.

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Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by adamcstephens »

pabs3 wrote: post #137
adamcstephens wrote: post #136

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I like the B Corp model but would greatly prefer worker ownership.

Igalia are a good example of a worker owned company in the open source space (and they are hiring): https://www.igalia.com/ https://www.igalia.com/jobs/

Thanks :)
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