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Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by dmingod666 »

ronenlh wrote: post #134
forgingahead wrote: post #113

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Honest question - it's obvious how you identify politically by all your posts here, but what has your comment got to do with the story? If it's a false story, say it. If it's not - what exactly are you saying with your comment?

I know it sounds like he’s “poisoning the well,” but this comment answered the question I had in my head. I thought the source was left-leaning but the article had a conservative voice. It’s important to know who’s writing: The article is not an objective list of facts. They did not reach to the publication for comment. Some nuances might have been ironed out. This is true regardless of the political side talking.

did you have to take a bath after reading the impure text?

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by pvg »

Guthur wrote: post #191
tptacek wrote: post #148

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I have no idea if they're false. It's a phoned-in article about a series of tweets. I wrote a comment about "Newsweek", not about the particulars of the post. "Newsweek" is essentially an SEO scam, is the point I'm making, the same way we'd point it out if a scraped blog post was blogspam.

Purchasing a brand is hardly a scam. You might not like who bought it but it's quite common to buy brands. To be honest I have no idea who Newsweek were or are and if they stopped being the original group 7-8 years ago it hardly seems like you could maintain any brand loyalty if you were eroding it with wrong doing over that whole time.

To be honest I have no idea who Newsweek were or are

These things seem germane to the discussion, though.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by jariel »

DetroitThrow wrote: post #227
jariel wrote: post #184

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Over the perception of their actions, not their actual actions. Nobody anywhere would care a single bit were there not mass hysteria. Also it's not necessarily harassment to call out people if they are not doing their jobs. It's just very (almost pathetically) petty.

>Over the perception of their actions, not their actual actions. Trying to discuss in good faith here so hopefully this doesn't garner venom: it doesn't feel novel to be fired or quit over public perception of actions or statements - all my corporate employers since the onset of social media have had disclaimers to not enter the public discourse in such a way that might cause negative publicity for them. >Nobody anyw…

So this is a good comment - however the term 'hysteria' may not be correct, I suggest that the reaction is ultimately hysterical to the point of overreaction.

I think frankly it's driven a small group of unimportant people, causing more serious forces to act out of fear or opportunity, which snowballs into overreaction.

A 'fear' moves over a group of people causing weird effects.

Maybe we need a term for this - but how do we have 'serious consequences' out of essentially 'inconsequential acts'?

It's leveraged consistently by those that want to use 'every little interaction' as 'proof' of their particular ideology.

It's just too much, it's wearing on my otherwise sympathetic view of people.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by jansan »

LarvaFX wrote: post #243
jansan wrote: post #187

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In Germany there is the term "inner emmigration", if people oppose to the current system, but keep silent in fear of repression. This was coined during Nazi time, but also used to describe part of the opposition during socialism in East Germany. What it basically describes people who: - are opposed to the current political system (originally the Nazi regime) - cannot speak their opinion for fear of repressions . cann…

My guess is that the fallout of the right wing's promised "tickle down" economics and the neoliberal politics of thatcherism is making people angry.

I think it is more the obvious ubiquitous hypocrism. Everybody is anti racist and anti sexist, but blames the white man. Looting and burning buildings is ok, as long as the ideology behind it fits the narrative. Everybody is anti fascist, but if you have a different opinion you will get fucked up. Who in his right mind wants to argue with this bullshit?

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by Vinnl »

scoot wrote: post #246
common_crow wrote: post #29

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I assume you're speaking of the Scott Bergstrom debacle? Yeah, I remember that one. Link to Scott's interview that infuriated those authors is here: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/child... Don't want to dox anyone and post which authors had such horrible behavior, but I will say I personally witnessed those tweets discussing book burning, stalking, and public harassment.

Linking to someone's public posts isn't "doxing". Publicly sharing their personal details (private email address, home address, phone number, etc.) or other private information as a form if direct or indirect harassment is .

It could still result in a mob piling on them, which is exactly the behaviour they're arguing against...

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by esja »

LarvaFX wrote: post #248
esja wrote: post #217

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It’s not an opinion, it’s basic logic and arithmetic. Shrinking the hiring pool by eliminating both Trump voters and also the non-Trump voters who don’t like the implications of the question. That’s a very large negative and is based on math, not opinion.

You are making a quantitative argument for a case that can very well be a qualitative one. Your statement is not sound and it does not follow. Maybe it consider this an opportunity to educate yourself in logic?

You're being needlessly patronising, but I'll answer in good faith in case you are actually interested.

Ceteris paribus, reducing your hiring pool is a negative.

Can qualitative factors counteract that? Sure, it's possible. But there is no evidence for it here, only assertion. And the quantitative problem is very large, so those factors would need to be very powerful.

Aside from that, it's naive to believe that the qualitative factors will only work in the positive direction. Whatever is gained from excluding the wrong-thinkers could easily be dwarfed by legal or reputational problems, blowback from boycotts or other "cancellation", inability to address the whole market due to a lack of diverse viewpoints, etc.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Post by giantDinosaur »

_o0rc wrote: post #121
snicker7 wrote: post #73

At this point, companies might as well just have an explicit policy of not hiring anyone registered as a Republican. Party affiliation is not a protected class, after all.

As pointed out below, there are some states where politics are protected. I looked it up because I do plan to use that information in hiring decisions going forward. I wouldn't surprised if I get downvoted for this, but I intend to ask anyone I interview in the future (not currently in a role that involves hiring) if they voted for Trump in 2020. And a yes will be a disqualifying answer on the basis of poor judgement…

The reason the secret ballot is even a thing is exactly because of people like you. Thank goodness you aren't in a role that involves hiring given such politicisation of the hiring process. I sincerely hope you never get such a position again.

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Post by inglor_cz »

user-the-name wrote: post #253
inglor_cz wrote: post #165

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In other words, stereotypes are obviously fun if it is me, an enlightened person, doing them... I had a Parler login since July. Mostly out of curiosity and just to read/lurk. There was a very vocal loony subset, but that is the Internet for you. Kicking people out of work for visiting a hacking forum is about same. After all, for the general public, hacking sounds like crime and sometimes actually is. People who del…

> There was a very vocal loony subset, but that is the Internet for you. No. This attitude has to stop. Having nazis and far-right extremists being vocal on your site is not "the internet for you". It is a deliberate choice by whoever runs the site to be a welcoming home for the vilest voices.

For me, this is the Internet. It is an unwelcome, but arguably useful X-ray of the society.

I believe that erasing such people from a worldwide forum veers dangerously close to covering an alarm signal on your car's dashboard with black tape because it is annoying and life feels better without worrying about what might be happening under the hood.

I prefer living my life without illusions about the rest of humanity, doubly so in politics.

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Post by Guthur »

pvg wrote: post #262
Guthur wrote: post #191

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Purchasing a brand is hardly a scam. You might not like who bought it but it's quite common to buy brands. To be honest I have no idea who Newsweek were or are and if they stopped being the original group 7-8 years ago it hardly seems like you could maintain any brand loyalty if you were eroding it with wrong doing over that whole time.

To be honest I have no idea who Newsweek were or are These things seem germane to the discussion, though.

Not at all. The OP was maintaining because the brand changed hands that it was somehow a scam, that feels quite disingenuous.
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