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Re: IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from being developed

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Post by adrianN »

pjc50 wrote: post #134
helmholtz wrote: post #36

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The complication is EXACTLY why we need to be even more in panic and hair-on-fire about environmental issues. A colleague did some analyses for the life cycle emissions of refrigerants. The complexity in the process was absurd, and basically intractable without simplifications. How much indirect CO2 emissions are caused by an inefficient compressor? How much does it depend on how you generate electricity? Which count…

Indeed - which is the argument for point-of-extraction carbon pricing. Then you don't have to calculate anything, it gets sorted out along the supply chain by individual decisions as to whether the CO2 cost is worth it compared to the available alternatives at that step .

Until every country in the world has agreed upon doing that you still need to estimate CO2 when exporting and importing things from and to the common-carbon-price zone.

Re: IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from being developed

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

AndyMcConachie wrote: post #127
fastball wrote: post #87

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Hence why the real solution has always been: 1. Electrify everything possible 2. Shift all electricity production to renewables, massively increase power output with nuclear nuclear nuclear. 3. Carbon capture.

Everytime I hear the word 'carbon capture' I just think of trees. This is literally what trees do, they capture carbon.

And then release a large majority of it when they die and are eaten by fungus and bacteria.

https://www.sciencenewsforstudents.org/article/recycling-dea...

Re: IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from being developed

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Post by fxtentacle »

tweetle_beetle wrote: post #128
FriedrichN wrote: post #109

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I've been using a lot of IKEA furniture for many years, some new, some secondhand (sometimes I'm the third or fourth owner) and I must say they're quite durable unlike some of the new furniture I've bought over the year and had to throw away.

The annoying thing about IKEA furniture, and that from competitors, is that all it takes is for a tiny piece of particle board to be damaged internally for the whole item to be useless. Generally, while they are in one piece and not moved, they are fine. But trasnporting or disassembling this stuff is a risk. The tiny wooden pegs, plastic bits and agressive screws going straight into soft board can rip out chunks, sn…

Ikea sells replacement parts online. Usually, all you need is their number code which you can find in the manual (or if your lost that in the pdf on their website).

I recently ordered a replacement door myself, just to make it look new again.

Re: IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from being developed

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Post by random_upvoter »

piokoch wrote: post #14

This smells like some really bold and really ridiculous PR attempt. "Ikea uses about one percent—yes, one percent—of the world's entire commercial wood supply. That amounts to about 17.8 million cubic yards of lumber last year. " [1] I guess they need this PR purchase to appease some eko organization. And this is equally ridiculous. Ikea is making furniture, something people really need. Why they have to explain them…

The thing with IKEA is that most of their furniture looks good at first sight, but when it's been in your living room for a couple of years you tend to become very aware of the somewhat generic blandness of the design, the cheapness of the material and that micro-tuned "just good enough" build quality to the point that it begins to irk. You don't love a piece of IKEA and it is not something you're going to hand to your children when that time comes. I'm quite sure almost all IKEA furniture ends up in landfill within 30 years, so all pretense at durability seems misguided to me.

Also people say IKEA is cheap but IMO it's actually rather expensive for what you're getting. Walk into an auction room and see what you can get for that 200 euro.

Re: IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from being developed

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Post by WrtCdEvrydy »

kuschku wrote: post #132
tweetle_beetle wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The annoying thing about IKEA furniture, and that from competitors, is that all it takes is for a tiny piece of particle board to be damaged internally for the whole item to be useless. Generally, while they are in one piece and not moved, they are fine. But trasnporting or disassembling this stuff is a risk. The tiny wooden pegs, plastic bits and agressive screws going straight into soft board can rip out chunks, sn…

You can just go to any IKEA and buy a replacement part? Every single part they've ever sold is available at the replacement desk in their stores (at least here in Germany). Even individual screws, legs, etc. When I broke a door and one of the hinges of a kitchen cabinet, I just went to IKEA and bought a replacement door (of the exact same type) and replacement hinge) and replaced them.

Not available in the US. The only thing they will do is either sell you spare small parts or issue a refund.

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Post by jacquesm »

Fricken wrote: post #92
oblio wrote: post #66

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Well, it is Dutch. Just saying it isn't doesn't change anything. They're registered in the Netherlands and operate in accordance with Dutch laws.

Dutch. It's Swedish for common sense.

Somewhere a marketeer is laughing really, really loud.

Re: IKEA buys 11,000 acres of U.S. forest to keep it from being developed

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Post by andretti1977 »

mstokholm wrote: post #27
piokoch wrote: post #14

This smells like some really bold and really ridiculous PR attempt. "Ikea uses about one percent—yes, one percent—of the world's entire commercial wood supply. That amounts to about 17.8 million cubic yards of lumber last year. " [1] I guess they need this PR purchase to appease some eko organization. And this is equally ridiculous. Ikea is making furniture, something people really need. Why they have to explain them…

Well, just because they're producing something useful doesn't mean they can't give back at the same time! Small changes add up.

Exactly. I don't know if Ikea has an ethical way of producing its goods, anyhow if they do something useful, it doesn't hurt.

I won't say Ikea is a benefactor company because they preserved that land, but it certainly won't bother me!

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Post by oblio »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #131
oblio wrote: post #66

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Well, it is Dutch. Just saying it isn't doesn't change anything. They're registered in the Netherlands and operate in accordance with Dutch laws.

It's a large group of companies, with various bits of that group registered in various countries and obviously operating (mainly) in accordance with local laws. Basically "IKEA" as a total entity is split into two parts, one is the stores and things related to that like customer support and property management. That bit is ultimately owned by a Dutch holding company and then a Dutch foundation. The other bit is "the…

You're missing my point. If we're "accusing" Ikea of being a Dutch company, it's because the laws of that country allow the creation of tax havens.

If the Netherlands would rewrite those laws, the Kamprads wouldn't be able to do what they're doing.

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Post by oblio »

Fricken wrote: post #92
oblio wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, it is Dutch. Just saying it isn't doesn't change anything. They're registered in the Netherlands and operate in accordance with Dutch laws.

Dutch. It's Swedish for common sense.

Dutch. Romanian for tax haven and rich people dodging taxes.
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