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Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by cbozeman »

yew wrote: post #38
dadzilla wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you are qualified to express this view how?

Experts are usually vetted by regulators and other experts, not random members of the public. As anyone is presently free to say whatever they please, I see no reason to share my personal information with the world.

Do you remember when Hank Paulson said he had the utmost confidence in the stability and resiliency of our markets?

Right before a literally historic housing market crash occurred, that then became an enormous stock market crash.

How much more of an expert would you want than Hank Paulson, who added billions of value to Goldman Sachs bottom line, who he himself made $1bn working there, and who had been in the financial industry for 30+ years at the time, and who was the Secretary of the Treasury?

What kind of "expertise" should he have had in your perfect utopia?

I should remind you that Paulson was indeed vetted by regulators, other experts, and Congress, and was widely considered a great choice as SecTres.

We see how that worked out.

An autistic medical doctor predicted the housing market crash 3 years before Paulson made that statement, so as far as I can see, so much for your so-called experts. In fact, I think if you'll try less to defer to experts and more to defer to history, you'll find a very long list of people who were held in the highest esteem who continually got shit wrong, and very very few who got it right.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by marcinzm »

emptyparadise wrote: post #46

My question to everyone supporting restrictions on speech and supporting privacy violations, even for good reasons, is this: are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands? The same methods used to quickly shut down a dangerous website or to track down a terrorist by their online posts can be used to silence protests and to hunt down political opposition.

That is why I prefer these tools be used by private organizations to enforce their own private rules rather than being managed by government mandate. That ensures that enough social rules exist to maintain society but not rules which are so ingrained in law as to prevent progress or allow trivial total abuse.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by root_axis »

YouTube's content policy is clearly a failure in the case of journalists covering firearms, but if you're doing serious journalism you need to pay for your own hosting and stop relying on corporate ad delivery networks to give you a free platform.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by korethr »

yew wrote: post #27

It's simply irresponsible for so-called "independent journalists" to cover material that neither they nor their audiences are in a position to understand. We've seen what several decades of totally unregulated broadcasting have done, to the detriment of our society - without well-funded expert guidance, conspiracy theories and extremism run rampant. Platforms must be restricted to those who prove they can use them ap…

Assuming this post is in earnest instead of accidentally omitting tags:

Have you payed attention to mainstream journalism over the past couple decades? The material they cover and the framing with which they do so reflects an understanding not any better than the one you attribute to independent journalists, to say nothing of an expectation that the audience is even less capable of understanding. Have you never seen a mainstream news channel cover an event that you personally witnessed, and imply or outright state that the event happened differently than what you saw with your own eyes? Have you never witnessed someone interviewed, and then later seen the broadcast, edited interview, implying something else than what was originally stated for the editing done?

Who decides who the correct experts are? Who decides a person can responsibly use a platform?

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Post by emptyparadise »

Barrin92 wrote: post #71
emptyparadise wrote: post #46

My question to everyone supporting restrictions on speech and supporting privacy violations, even for good reasons, is this: are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands? The same methods used to quickly shut down a dangerous website or to track down a terrorist by their online posts can be used to silence protests and to hunt down political opposition.

>are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands? Yes, because society has a plurality of institutions that constrain power. Restrictions (even speech restrictions themselves) are subject to the court of public opinion (we're talking about them right now), there's the judiciary, political opposition and so on. This argument never had any pull for me for the same reason I'm against abolishing the police…

What country do you live in?

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by sli »

devmunchies wrote: post #43
arthurcolle wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. By definition, sound is just the way that some creatures interpret waves propagating through the air that hit their weird inner ear structures that gets translated through neural pathways into meaningful qualia

so if you publish on an alternative platform and nobody reads it... no sound.

Unlike hearing a sound vs. just the pressure waves, data's form doesn't change when someone interacts with it. It's the same before and after. Sure, the pressure waves don't change, but it's the interaction with them that we call sound. Data is data before and after you look at it.

Re: Silicon Valley is shutting down speech loopholes. Latest target: live content

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Post by rebuilder »

cbozeman wrote: post #59
megous wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.moneycontrol.com/news/world/new-zealand-mosque-s... Maybe they don't want livestreams like this?

Well too goddamn bad. That's part of life in a post-Enlightenment world. You don't get to have the all the great shit without all the worst shit along with it. The very nature of freedom means at some point, someone is going to do something you don't like. And I don't mean the mosque shooting. That was illegal. I mean part of having a free society means you have put up with people saying crazy nonsensical bullshit th…

Allowing mass murderers to stream their crimes live is not going to fly. I think that's pretty clear.

So, Youtube has to do something about it. The way traditional broadcast media handles this is that they know whoever's reporting, and have someone watching who can pull the plug if that reporter goes nuts. This is apparently too expensive for YouTube, so they use blunter tools.

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Post by joubert »

emptyparadise wrote: post #46

My question to everyone supporting restrictions on speech and supporting privacy violations, even for good reasons, is this: are you prepared to have these tools fall into the wrong hands? The same methods used to quickly shut down a dangerous website or to track down a terrorist by their online posts can be used to silence protests and to hunt down political opposition.

Aren’t there more ways how and more places where you can speak out today than ever before? Aren’t people able to say more radical or extreme things at scale than ever before?

I’m reminded of folks claiming that their voices are silenced but say so on Twitter, at physical events, on the news, etc.?

The irony seems mind boggling to me.

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