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Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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but if a future employer asks to see some social credentials and they don't see any, they ll be suspicious

If said employer is asking for your private social media, then they're probably not worth working for anyway.

Tens of millions of people in the US alone don't have the privilege of being on the supply-side for a high-demand skillset. "they're probably not worth working for anyway" is not a reasonable nor helpful response to people in that situation.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Frequently I feel that there is a conflation of the inherent attributes of a platform like Gab or Parler, and its user base. Though they may pitch themselves at a certian audience, social media platforms don't ultimately get to choose their users, and I'm not sure to what extent it is fair to judge them by their users. If we do judge them by their users (and I don't mean to sound like I'm criticizing Gab/Parler users…

> social media platforms don't ultimately get to choose their users Of course they can. They simply ban/allow people until they get the mix of people they want. It happens all the time on Reddit e.g. /r/the_donald, /r/conspiracy.

I think those were subreddits, not users.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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but if a future employer asks to see some social credentials and they don't see any, they ll be suspicious

Social media accounts are not credentials, and that requirement is bogus for 99% of jobs unless your job is social media publicity

Call it "bogus" but the evidence suggests it's happening - most likely by old-world companies run by paternalistic owners big enough to care about their PR but not big enough to hire competent HR lawyers to advise them not to do that at all.

...otherwise we wouldn't have law bloggers writing articles like this: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/can-employers-ask-pa...

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Which law does it violate? I can’t think of any.

The fired agent telegraphed which law she believed has been violated when she said, "I just got fired because I'm a Christian and a conservative." https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

She can say what she wants.

Is being active on Gab and Parler a Christian religious activity?

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Was the agent fired for writing something specifically, or simply for signing up for these networks?

The language follows a pattern I've seen before where complaints were raised about specific content posted on social sites but the employer didn't want to draw additional attention to the detailed subject of the complaints from people who hasn't seen the initial complaints.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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"The Jennifer De Chiara Literary Agency was distressed to discover this morning, January 25th, that one of our agents has been using the social media platforms Gab and Parler. We do not condone this activity, and we apologize to anyone who has been affected or offended by this," De Chiara wrote. "The Jennifer De Chiara Literary Agency has in the past and will continue to ensure a voice of unity, equality, and one tha…

The unstated assertions that a person simply visiting Parler or Gab is a form of harm to others is astonishing.

From the pattern and other things I've seen from employers, it seems likely to be a response to particular content complaints where the specific content is something the employer doesn't want to draw more attention to from anyone who hasn't seen the initial complaint.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Which law does it violate? I can’t think of any.

The fired agent telegraphed which law she believed has been violated when she said, "I just got fired because I'm a Christian and a conservative." https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

Political affiliation is not a protected class.

Being "a Christian" (whatever that means...) is a protected class - but where in the Bible did Moses or Jesus command people to use Gab, Parler - or even be "conservative"?

You can be fired for being a selfish ass (I'm referring to the donkey hybrid, as befits the biblical narrative) - and that's my interpretation of what happened. What matters now is if the law will allow her to use her religion as the basis for being an ass - or not.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Reminds me of Dawn Frederick, a literary agent who was "cancelled" for calling 911 on looters who rammed a van into the gas station on her apartment block: https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/industry-news/p... This happened during the BLM protests this summer in St. Loius. The looters she reported were blocks away from any BLM protest, and other looting bands were setting fires on nearby blocks. Frederick w…

The phenomenon is called "purity spiral", and it's absolutely maddening. Here's a good article on it: https://unherd.com/2020/01/cast-out-how-knitting-fell-into-a...

I really like the term purity spiral. It captures it quite well.

Alas, it seems this thread was flagged. Ironic given the content. But I'll continue to share that article about the purity spiral with others, it captures a lot of the things I've seen quite well.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fired agent telegraphed which law she believed has been violated when she said, "I just got fired because I'm a Christian and a conservative." https://www.eeoc.gov/religious-discrimination

Political affiliation is not a protected class. Being "a Christian" (whatever that means...) is a protected class - but where in the Bible did Moses or Jesus command people to use Gab, Parler - or even be "conservative"? You can be fired for being a selfish ass (I'm referring to the donkey hybrid, as befits the biblical narrative) - and that's my interpretation of what happened. What matters now is if the law will al…

An employee can claim that politics, affiliation, etc. was a pretext for firing based on religious beliefs.

Re: Agent fired from literary agency for using Parler and Gab

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Was the agent fired for writing something specifically, or simply for signing up for these networks?

According to the article it appears she signed up and actively encouraged others to join as well explicitly for the lack of censorship. "In a November 12 tweet, Oefelein invited followers to join her on the conservative social network, which she described as "a great platform with no censorship." Oefelein suggested earlier this month that she may also use the far-right social networking site Gab." The fired agent als…

Parler, at least, despite initially claiming to not censor anyone/anything, went out of its way to censor/block people in opposed groups.[0] Parler's CEO bragged about blocking trolls, which he identified as those attacking Christians or conservatives.[1]

Of course, the most politically-conservative Christians I know are not on Parler nor Gab, but they're also not Trump supporters, which seemed to be the real reason people went to Parler/Gab. That's an unsupported assertion on my part, but seems consistent with my observations.

She wasn't fired because she's a Christian and a conservative. She was fired because she was active on two sites tied to attempted insurrection. It's a bad look for the agency, but IMO a worse look for Oefelein.

0. https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20200627/23551144803/as-pr...

1. https://www.forbes.com/sites/abrambrown/2020/06/27/parlers-f...

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