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The FCC said that 3mbps upload speed is all internet users need. They might not be in tune with modern internet usage https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/21/22242635/fcc-ajit-pai-int...

To be fair, that was just Ajit Pai, who also thought net neutrality was not important. Now that he's gone, I hope he gets subjected to 3mbps upload speeds for the rest of his days.

Well Ajit Pai only has 640K of memory so it’s understandable.

Re: East Coast Internet Outage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I bought a home, I limited my searches to ones that had symmetric fiber connections.

I priced having a 10m fiber connection brought out here. I was quoted just over $5k/month with a minimum 3 year contract. I assume they were expecting me to just pay for the new service to the entire area for them to resell. Wife wanted to live out here. So we traded my being able to work easily for amazing views and lots of land. Not entirely unhappy with the trade, but there are days when I think about just renting…

I was basically restricted to buying homes in new developments since 2010. Those all tended to have fiber, and anything before did not, and they had no plans to install it. I pay $65 per month for 940mbps up and down from Centurylink, and it's been as advertised so far.

Unfortunately, the cable company usually offers some ludicrous 500mbps (burst) download / 5mbps upload connection that people are willing to accept for cheaper, so if the phone company comes in and pays to install fiber and charge accordingly for the new fiber runs, insufficient people would switch to the fiber to make the numbers work since they are okay with the shitty cable company connection.

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I was just about to call FiOS to switch from Xfinity because these data caps are absolutely ridiculous. I am sad now. Aside: Comcast, wtf? 1.2 TB limit per month? Seriously if anyone works at Comcast know that I hate your company with an overwhelming passion.

I love these posts. They remind me that there are places in the world where technology is moving forward. Where we live in Tennessee I have to run 2 internet connections to be able to have a service when I need it. 3gb DSL and a 5gb satellite connection. The sat connection has the additional bonus of being capped at 150Gb per month. All these new streaming services may as well not even exist for those of us in rural…

I’ve got Comcast 2 gig fiber and Verizon 1 fig fiber to my house, plus 1 gig cable. I live 10 minutes from horse farms in MD. (The horse farms also have fiber.)

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I have no technical understanding of fiber networks. The explanation that this was caused by one fiber line in Brooklyn being severed seems unlikely. Curious to see what the experts think.

So, for clarity, it's never one fiber line being cut. It's a big massive bundle of fiber carrying different circuits for different carriers different places that were run in the same trench and all got cut at once.

Then they get to dig it out better and someone gets to get down in the hole and figure out which piece of fiber needs to be spliced to which other one.

Because of DWDM, some of those individual fibers may each be carrying 64 channels that in turn each carry 400gbit/sec for different providers/services/etc.

Re: East Coast Internet Outage

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I love these posts. They remind me that there are places in the world where technology is moving forward. Where we live in Tennessee I have to run 2 internet connections to be able to have a service when I need it. 3gb DSL and a 5gb satellite connection. The sat connection has the additional bonus of being capped at 150Gb per month. All these new streaming services may as well not even exist for those of us in rural…

I’ve got Comcast 2 gig fiber and Verizon 1 fig fiber to my house, plus 1 gig cable. I live 10 minutes from horse farms in MD. (The horse farms also have fiber.)

I've never seen Comcast offer fiber, except to businesses at astronomical costs. I can't even find it on their website. Do they advertise upload bandwidth for their fiber?

Re: East Coast Internet Outage

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I was just about to call FiOS to switch from Xfinity because these data caps are absolutely ridiculous. I am sad now. Aside: Comcast, wtf? 1.2 TB limit per month? Seriously if anyone works at Comcast know that I hate your company with an overwhelming passion.

FIOS is WAY better, they will fix their broken cable. I get (so far unlimited) 30gb up/down for $40/mo but it typically runs closer to 60 down 70 up. Fiber optic is baller. Though I do feel like they throttle me (web browsing becomes slow) if I am watching a streaming video service or mining crypto without a VPN on, could be an illusion but it always tends to clear up as soon as I activate the VPN.

60-70 gigabits per second for $40/month? Guessing you mean megabits. Not worth being packet inspected. 1gbit on comcast seems to give 42 mbps upload, was 50 a few months ago. ~$80/mo

edit: hitting 48-50 mbps again today, sweet

Re: East Coast Internet Outage

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I have no technical understanding of fiber networks. The explanation that this was caused by one fiber line in Brooklyn being severed seems unlikely. Curious to see what the experts think.

My naive explanation: fiber networks handle incredible loads, and a single fiber line might correspond to 10+ Tbs (terabytes per second). So all that data needs to go somewhere else, and if it gets shunted, packets get backed up, resulting in a cascading failure.

Note: I am not a fiber technician nor do I work for a large ISP.

Re: East Coast Internet Outage

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post #124

I have no technical understanding of fiber networks. The explanation that this was caused by one fiber line in Brooklyn being severed seems unlikely. Curious to see what the experts think.

So, for clarity, it's never one fiber line being cut. It's a big massive bundle of fiber carrying different circuits for different carriers different places that were run in the same trench and all got cut at once. Then they get to dig it out better and someone gets to get down in the hole and figure out which piece of fiber needs to be spliced to which other one. Because of DWDM, some of those individual fibers may…

This. Even if you have redundant lines with multiple providers there is a good chance they are part of the same fiber bundle. It can be really difficult to get providers to admit who they are leasing from and what the physical runs are.

Re: East Coast Internet Outage

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I was just about to call FiOS to switch from Xfinity because these data caps are absolutely ridiculous. I am sad now. Aside: Comcast, wtf? 1.2 TB limit per month? Seriously if anyone works at Comcast know that I hate your company with an overwhelming passion.

I love these posts. They remind me that there are places in the world where technology is moving forward. Where we live in Tennessee I have to run 2 internet connections to be able to have a service when I need it. 3gb DSL and a 5gb satellite connection. The sat connection has the additional bonus of being capped at 150Gb per month. All these new streaming services may as well not even exist for those of us in rural…

3 gigabits per second DSL and 5 gigabits per second to a satellite? You (like the other commenter...) probably mean megabits. And also Gb is gigabits, but your cap is probably in bytes, gB or GB.

Re: East Coast Internet Outage

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>There is a fiber cut in Brooklyn. We have no ETR, as of yet. A fiber cut auto heals automatically via bgp. Absolutely no truth in this claim from verizon. Meanwhile google, zoom, aws, and microsoft went down? There isn't any shared datacenters here. There's at least 3 distinct datacenters. So what's the truth? what actually went down?

It might sound conspiratorial, but when the WTC was attacked in 2001, the Internet slowed down a few days after. We'll probably never know, but I assumed it was deeper surveillance being implemented. Every time an outage like this happens without a following postmortem, I wonder if it was a surveillance oopsie.

Why not take the simpler interpretation that millions of dollars of equipment was in the buildings that were destroyed, and it took a while for the network's self-healing algorithms to discover a new steady-state configuration that approximated the performance of what was suddenly lost?
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