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Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#51

By Supercookie they mean Evercookie, right? That seems to be what they’re describing.

Evercookie is a Javascript project that produces respawning super cookies:

https://github.com/samyk/evercookie

It's quite dead now, stopped working around 2017: https://github.com/samyk/evercookie/issues/125

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#53
post #17

Firefox is so good. It's a continual source of amazement for me that a majority of HNers are using a browser made by the largest data gobbler in the world, instead of one that actually tries to prevent spying on users.

It's probably one of the most obscure reasons, but keep Chromium around because it's the only web browser with a JIT-backed javascript engine on ppc64le. Firefox has to run everything interpreted, which is actually fine for most sites, but bogs down on JS heavy web app type things. On a much less niche side of things, a lot of web apps like Teams, Zoom, and probably many others are only fully functional on Chromium,…

Slack calling doesn't work on FF as well. This + Teams + Zoom is a big gap, especially in these COVID times.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#54

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Google websites work better on chrome. Not sure if it’s because google is doing something nefarious or if Firefox is just not keeping up with google website technologies. So, I’ve trained my brain to use chrome as an app only for google websites. When I need to check gmail or YouTube or google calendar, I use chrome. Otherwise I’m on Firefox or safari. It’s worked pretty well. I found I was only really unhappy with F…

What problems do you have? I use Firefox exclusively and I'm a heavy Google app user too (laziness...), but I can't remember ever having a significant issue

For some reason Firefox absolutely cannot play 720p+ 60fps videos on YouTube for me, whereas opening the same video on Edge I can play 4K 60fps videos without a single problem.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Firefox sends everything you type in the address bar to google by default. Would you be able to tell the difference between stock firefox and stock chrome if all you saw was the fiddler session? I don't know, I haven't tried. I did look at a firefox session in fiddler and I was not impressed. Pick your poison. If you configure all the settings in firefox properly it might be acceptable. But can you just do the same i…

Even if you've changed the search engine?

Nope, I believe it also stops if you disable search hints. They send keystrokes to the search engines because that’s how you get the search suggestion when typing in the URL bar.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#56
post #14

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Firefox sends everything you type in the address bar to google by default. Would you be able to tell the difference between stock firefox and stock chrome if all you saw was the fiddler session? I don't know, I haven't tried. I did look at a firefox session in fiddler and I was not impressed. Pick your poison. If you configure all the settings in firefox properly it might be acceptable. But can you just do the same i…

Even if you've changed the search engine?

What if you change the search engine in Chrome and disable all telemetry? This is the comparison we should be making.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#57
post #44

How is that even legal

I know, right? Like if I were to be caught doing this to a random woman it would be appropriately labelled 'stalking' yet when a company does it they potentially have a patentable marketing technique on their hands or something.

It's good when a company does it because they create value in the economy. It's only bad when a person does it because no value is created.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#58
post #31

Are there any plans for complete partitioning? I'd like to see a point where browsing on two different websites are treated as a completely different user. Embeds, cookies, cookies in embeds, etc.

That's probably Firefox's own Firefox Multi-Account Containers[0]. Groups caches/cookies into designated categories for each tab (personal, work, shopping, etc.), with smart recognition for assigned sites.

[0] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Read 'The age of surveillance capitalism'. Engineers should understand the business models they create.

Engineers don't respect any subject outside of STEM, education like this would fall on deaf ears.

They seem to respect their inflated salaries.
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