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Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google websites work better on chrome. Not sure if it’s because google is doing something nefarious or if Firefox is just not keeping up with google website technologies. So, I’ve trained my brain to use chrome as an app only for google websites. When I need to check gmail or YouTube or google calendar, I use chrome. Otherwise I’m on Firefox or safari. It’s worked pretty well. I found I was only really unhappy with F…

What is exactly better? I am using FF and browse Google websites, but never noticed anything.

I replied to one of the other replies above.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#42

Firefox is so good. It's a continual source of amazement for me that a majority of HNers are using a browser made by the largest data gobbler in the world, instead of one that actually tries to prevent spying on users.

Google websites work better on chrome. Not sure if it’s because google is doing something nefarious or if Firefox is just not keeping up with google website technologies. So, I’ve trained my brain to use chrome as an app only for google websites. When I need to check gmail or YouTube or google calendar, I use chrome. Otherwise I’m on Firefox or safari. It’s worked pretty well. I found I was only really unhappy with F…

It’s the latter, but I would describe it less as Firefox not “keeping up”, and more as Google deploying pre-standard protocols (like SPDY) into Chrome first, before ever documenting the protocol; let alone trying to get it turned into a standard (like HTTP/2.)

Chrome had SPDY support not just before any other web browser did, but before any open web server did—because Chrome had SPDY support before Google ever documented that there was such as thing as “SPDY.” It was, at first, just turned on as a special Chrome-to-Google.com accelerator, spoken only between that browser and that server, because only they knew it.

I don’t fault Google for this: they’re doing “internal” R&D with protocols, and then RFCing them if-and-when they turn out to have been a good design for at least their use-case with plenty of experimental data to confirm that. Which is exactly how the RFC process is intended to be used: spreading things that are known to work.

It’s just kind of surprising that “internal” R&D, in their case, means “billions of devices running their software are all auto-updated to speak the protocol, and start speaking it—at least to Google’s own servers—making it immediately become a non-negligible percentage of Internet packet throughput.” (Which is a troubling thing to have happen, if you’re a network equipment mfgr, and you expected to have some time while new protocols are still “nascent” to tune your switches for them.)

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#43

Can you please detect I'm using Firefox, and not show the "Download Firefox" banner on top? I'll be able to save a few pixels of vertical space.

I looked because I was curious, and on both desktop and mobile, in all browsers, the site's topnav includes their Mozilla logo, a Download Firefox button, and links to a couple of other Mozilla sites about Internet Health and Donate.

I imagine they could still choose to hide the blue button when you're on Firefox, but that wouldn't save you any vertical space, since the topnav menu of links and logo would remain.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#45

Firefox is so good. It's a continual source of amazement for me that a majority of HNers are using a browser made by the largest data gobbler in the world, instead of one that actually tries to prevent spying on users.

I've been switching to Firefox for private use a year ago, but overall I find it not good. Weird bugs, usability issues, dev tools not that great, etc. And privacy-wise, the defaults don't seem great either. There was something about containers that are supposed to prevent tracking between different domains, but if you actively have to create containers rather than them being automatically applied on each domain, then that's not much use since it makes things cumbersome to use.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#47

Twitter uses these type of cookies. They even use cookies that do not contain any reference to the twitter domain. It is how they track people who have been suspended on the platform

Will switch to firefox because of this, absolutely disgusting.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#48
These advertising networks are destroying web performance. Most of these "Supercookies" are optimizations to improve performance. By abusing them, advertisers have turned what should be a great performance tool into a liability. I know FF suggests this won't significantly affect most websites performance, but web advertising and trackers are already responsible for a huge chunk of performance issues already.

Of course we'll have the inevitable guy pop in here and talk up how awesome web tracking is because it helps sites monetize better, but that's all bullshit. At this point, all the advertising profits are sucked out of the web by Facebook and Google. The rest of the industry, including publishers are just struggling to get by while two trillion dollar behemoths throw them scraps.

Re: Firefox 85 cracks down on supercookies

#49

How is that even legal

Read 'The age of surveillance capitalism'. Engineers should understand the business models they create.

Engineers don't respect any subject outside of STEM, education like this would fall on deaf ears.
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