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CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by macksd »

ossusermivami wrote: post #51
macksd wrote: post #41

>> "These are people who", the CentOS team said, "never called, never write, they don't interact with us." So the people for whom Red Hat provided no measurable value beyond the intrinsic value of what you downloaded. The copyright for which is largely owned by Not Red Hat, and thus they're bound by the GPL. Red Hat adds incremental value to those projects and organizes the distribution - they deserve to get paid for…

I agree with you _but_ i don't think CentOS would have survived if not for the redhat acquisition maybe they could have in some alternate way (perhaps rockylinux can achieve this?) but the cost of producing CentOS in that form was way too high if not for the contribution of Redhat, Unpopular opionion but i think Redhat probably just extended the lifespan of the centos distribution instead of killing it straight away.…

Yeah I'm glad to see that Rocky Linux is being a little more upfront about donating and sponsoring, and that they already have some big sponsors. Granted, it was early in my career, but I don't remember CentOS soliciting support, and I had no idea they were struggling to cover costs until this comment. If it had occurred to me, I would have kicked them a few bucks (and probably convinced an employer or two to do something more substantial). I suppose the Internet makes CDs less useful, but I liked when more FOSS projects used to sell media and merchandise.

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by Darmody »

neilwilson wrote: post #66
Frost1x wrote: post #8

Large corporation undermines a group of people to make a buck, news at 11... Businesses aren't your friends , repeat it with me, no matter how much propoganda they regularly spew out. Sometimes their goals may be temporarily aligned with yours in which case you can leverage their resources but never forget their goals can shift to be misaligned with yours at any point, making them a partial or direct enemy of your go…

"I should point out that there are classes of businesses that do exist somewhat as an exception, certain charities and non-profits" Not even sure about those. Quite a lot of charities and non-profits set up to fix a problem end up perpetuating it because it is a nice comfortable job.

It goes beyond that. People create them as their own private tax heaven.

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by beermonster »

Ottolay wrote: post #78

I don't understand the heartburn people are having about this. If you want to use a free distro, why not just move to one of the many distributions which are not tied to a for profit company?

Which other distros are there which have 10 years support? It looks like there's only Oracle Linux left currently? That is like being caught between a rock and a hard place ;-)

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by turminal »

pnutjam wrote: post #79
turminal wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Choices are though if you want to leave the RedHat ecosystem. Sure you can leave CentOS for Debian or Fedora for Ubuntu, but the entire Linux ecosystem is gradually becoming RedHat ecosystem.

Let me introduce you to our lord and savior OpenSuse.

Which uses systemd (developed by RedHat) and has package management built on top of RPM (developed by RedHat)

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by rob74 »

javajosh wrote: post #29
adamcstephens wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Businesses aren’t your friends. Employers aren’t your family. Be wary of either group selling them as such.

Businesses aren’t your friends. Employers aren’t your family. No, but its a helpful fiction as far as it makes everyone more convivial and agreeable. It forms a kind of shared illusion, not unlike the kayfabe of professional wrestling.

Yeah, you should be wary of trusting your employer too much, but if you go through your (professional) life with an attitude of "don't turn your back on anyone, they're all out to get you" the quote above will turn into a self-fulfilling prophecy...

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by dralley »

1996 wrote: post #74
turminal wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Choices are though if you want to leave the RedHat ecosystem. Sure you can leave CentOS for Debian or Fedora for Ubuntu, but the entire Linux ecosystem is gradually becoming RedHat ecosystem.

> the entire Linux ecosystem is gradually becoming RedHat ecosystem. No. Suse still exists, if you don't like Debian based distribution. But my money is on the Debians - and more specifically, on Ubuntu. For server stuff, Ubuntu is great - commercial support with various cloud providers, lots of prepackaged software (including the commercial software I use). For hiring, a lot of students run either Debian or Ubuntu o…

>meaning I don't have to teach them the intricacies of rpm like apt search is rpm -Q, apt install is rpm -i ...

"rpm" is not an equivalent to "apt", it's an equivalent to "dpkg".

The tool you would actually use is "dnf" or "yum", which isn't any more difficult to use than "apt" is.

"dnf search"

"dnf install"

"dnf remove"

"dnf list"

etc.

It's fine to prefer Debian / Ubuntu but please don't repeat information that's a decade out of date :)

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by briffle »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #69
neilwilson wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"I should point out that there are classes of businesses that do exist somewhat as an exception, certain charities and non-profits" Not even sure about those. Quite a lot of charities and non-profits set up to fix a problem end up perpetuating it because it is a nice comfortable job.

I'm pretty confident there's a lot of charities / nonprofits set up as a money laundering and tax dodging scheme. I mean one of the richest families in NL have their money in a bank that is part of a charity.

Ikea is officially a non-profit, and pays a tax rate of 3.5% because of it

https://www.fastcompany.com/3035734/ikea-is-a-nonprofit-and-...

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by beermonster »

jabl wrote: post #77
z29LiTp5qUC30n wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Free Software community is having a Renaissance right now and making advances on nearly every front. Turns out not compromising your principals and being zealots works.

Wait, what have I missed? I thought copyleft licensing has been steadily losing share to permissive licensing for a long time, with no end in sight. Can you point to information indicating otherwise? The Linux kernel itself keeps going from success to success, but that seems to be the last major copyleft bastion, and they also somewhat famously rejected GPLv3.

I think this is true, with the MIT license being the most popular.

From Linus[1] on the topic of GPLv3, he chose GPLv2 as it was the best choice for doing kernel development - giving code and getting code back in return. One of his gripes about GPLv3, IIRC, was the 'Tivoization'[2] additions. He felt it was going too far the other way.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaKIZ7gJlRU [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivoization

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by digitalsushi »

turminal wrote: post #34
1996 wrote: post #4

Personally, I'm very happy the new RedHat showed their true colors so fast: it helped me decide to leave their ecosystem. EDIT: added "the new" to qualify the statement about RedHat, as indeed it's IBM at play. No amount of "kernel support" is worth the trouble of dealing with them.

Choices are though if you want to leave the RedHat ecosystem. Sure you can leave CentOS for Debian or Fedora for Ubuntu, but the entire Linux ecosystem is gradually becoming RedHat ecosystem.

Asking a fortune 100 to drop RHEL for Ubuntu is a tough order. If a company has a very, very tight hold on their deployments, it could be done. If a company allows for an open form of their deployments, it becomes unlikely if the goal is stability and not progress. And I say this as an Ubuntu lover. It's a complaint against lockin and not the destination platform.

Re: CentOS Linux is ending because Red Hat refused to invest in it

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Post by mst »

macksd wrote: post #81
ossusermivami wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you _but_ i don't think CentOS would have survived if not for the redhat acquisition maybe they could have in some alternate way (perhaps rockylinux can achieve this?) but the cost of producing CentOS in that form was way too high if not for the contribution of Redhat, Unpopular opionion but i think Redhat probably just extended the lifespan of the centos distribution instead of killing it straight away.…

Yeah I'm glad to see that Rocky Linux is being a little more upfront about donating and sponsoring, and that they already have some big sponsors. Granted, it was early in my career, but I don't remember CentOS soliciting support, and I had no idea they were struggling to cover costs until this comment. If it had occurred to me, I would have kicked them a few bucks (and probably convinced an employer or two to do some…

My collection vanished in one of N house moves over the years but I basically used to buy media as merchandise - having a pretty branded CD on my shelf made me happy even if I wasn't ever really using it as install media.
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