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Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by olavgg »

vidarh wrote: post #53
thefounder wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They have some "special rights" on natural resources. i.e oil, fishery. I think the EU will close that loophole soon.

They can't "close that loophole". It's an integral part of the EEA treaty. If the EU withdraws from the EEA treaty it would virtually guarantee that support for EU membership in Norway would sink like a rock out of sheer anger. It would lead to Norway withdrawing further from the EU, not joining, so it'd be entirely counterproductive.

This is true, Norway and Switzerland are strong economies that can stay outside EU. Norway have a lot of oil compared to the number of people who lives there, which makes Norway a more independent economy than for example UK. I do think Norway would benefit by becoming a full EU member. But there are also good reasons not to. So the EEA treaty is the best of both worlds. Norway lose and gain some.

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Post by jacquesm »

vidarh wrote: post #94
jacquesm wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is something a bit sad about having present day policy be determined by the Napoleonic wars.

At this point it's more of a curiosity than something most people are aware of. It was the starting point of a realisation that choking off just a handful of trade routes could starve the country. Today the main reminder is that Norwegian school children still tend to learn the epic poem "Terje Vigen" by Ibsen, about a man who braves the blockade to feed his family and is captured - coupled with food security being a…

We still do the air raid tests here too, every 1st Monday of the month at noon, but they are more for other kinds of disasters (pollution, gas leaks, large fires and so on). That system is about to be phased out completely, because mobile phones are a much faster way to reach people.

Personally I don't mind the sirens, they tend to work pretty reliably and every time the mobile phone network was used to indicate something was up for some reason I totally missed the message, never received it or received it more than a day later.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by Hitton »

virgilp wrote: post #106
Hitton wrote: post #99

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How is giving choice between paying with money or paying with data forcing users into signing their rights away?

Well, to make it more obvious - if users had the choice of paying with money or paying with their future voting rights, would that be "forcing users into signing their rights away?". Surely, not "forcing" since it's their choice - but, I hope we agree that it's a choice that should NOT be presented to them, at all. You may or may not agree on whether the right to privacy should be on the same level as the right to vo…

I don't share your paternalistic view of having to police people's actions. Giving informed consent to use some data (and eventually ability to withdraw that consent when the business between the parties ends) should be enough. And your comparison between sharing users' personal data, something that influences only them and voting rights (which are not transferable btw) that influence everyone is absolutely ludicrous.

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Post by user-the-name »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #100
user-the-name wrote: post #24

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The thing is, third-party SDKs often do data collection on their own. Or, even if they don't, they could do so, and you don't really know if they do or not.

Well, now the GDPR gives you 10% of your revenue as a reason for not using SDKs that will not give you control of data collection. You always had "respect the privacy of users" as a reason not to use them before, but we all know how well that worked.

The problem here is that if you want to implement Facebook login in your app, you have to include the SDK. It is against ToS to do it any other way.

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Post by est31 »

netrus wrote: post #32
peteretep wrote: post #22

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Are gay men in Norway a very vulnerable community? My impression was no, but I’m willing to have that countered

I cannot speak for Norway specifically, but there is, as far as I know, not a single openly gay player in the (male!) Bundesliga. Apparently, even high-status, well-earning men in progressiv societies can be vulnerable to disclosure of their sexual preferences.

See also: https://www.theweek.co.uk/football/108141/gay-premier-league...

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Post by ganzuul »

nxpnsv wrote: post #98
throwaway2245 wrote: post #91

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Could you cite that? If you're comparing median to median, I find that very unlikely. There are plenty of soft barriers to progress for gay men.

Compare to the median of straight men+women, or the median of straight men? In median, even in Norway women earn on average 80% of men. Assuming sexual orientation otherwise doesn't matter, there should then be a difference between gay men and straight people in general...

You are assuming the single foundation of your argument. Please don't do that.

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Post by josefx »

xyproto wrote: post #23
martin8412 wrote: post #15

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For Norway the reason is fish. Since they're not in the EU, they don't have to allow others access to fish in their waters.

It's tragicomic that this was part of the reason for Brexit, but they ended up with letting other countries fish in their waters anyways.

Weren't pretty much all the reasons for Brexit bullshit from the start? I heard that some politicians even gave nonsensical statements in more recent interviews so that searches for various keywords would hit those instead of the original Brexit promises.

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by virgilp »

Hitton wrote: post #113
virgilp wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, to make it more obvious - if users had the choice of paying with money or paying with their future voting rights, would that be "forcing users into signing their rights away?". Surely, not "forcing" since it's their choice - but, I hope we agree that it's a choice that should NOT be presented to them, at all. You may or may not agree on whether the right to privacy should be on the same level as the right to vo…

I don't share your paternalistic view of having to police people's actions. Giving informed consent to use some data (and eventually ability to withdraw that consent when the business between the parties ends) should be enough. And your comparison between sharing users' personal data, something that influences only them and voting rights (which are not transferable btw) that influence everyone is absolutely ludicrous…

Privacy absolutely affects everyone. If you gave consent to Facebook to track you & you are my friend, you'll give my phone number to Facebook, and photos of me, etc. I cannot opt out of that! And in fact FB is well known for building shadow profiles [+]

Look, I understand if you feel "privacy rights" and "voting rights" are not in the same class of rights, I even mentioned explicitly that even though the same principle applies, you may not agree they're comparable. But you can't deny that the only reason voting rights are not transferable is because we said so - we have laws that dictate "voting rights are not transferable". It's easy to imagine a world where voting rights would, in fact, be transferable. It's just as easy to imagine a world where advertisers don't have the right to build a profile about you.

What is happening now is that we started with a world where (online) privacy rights were non-existent, and laws like GDPR are aiming to change that. You may not agree with the change, but others do, and it's a legitimate sentiment to have. It's not necessarily outrageous to want to "impose on everybody" my view of privacy rights. No more than it was to "impose on everybody" the view that e.g. women should be allowed to vote.

[+]https://theconversation.com/shadow-profiles-facebook-knows-a...

Re: Grindr to be fined almost €10M over GDPR complaint

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Post by ganzuul »

secondcoming wrote: post #71
ganzuul wrote: post #19

Great news! They have been preying on a very vulnerable community.

'Preying' is a bit much. Nobody is forced to use grindr and the whole point of the app is to meet same-sex people geographically close to you. This whole case seems to revolve around whether the 'Legitimate Interest' legal basis is valid or not. It was only a matter of time before it was legally challenged.

If they misled their customers about how their PII is used in order to make a profit, that makes them predators.

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Post by donohoe »

gspr wrote: post #77
zxcvbn4038 wrote: post #72

They are sending all of their user's data with an "opt out" flag and leaving it to the ad companies to honor it? Slow clap? It also caught my eye that their TOS didn't allow users a choice in data sharing, it was either agree or don't use the app. That might have some wide ramifications, I've encountered many web sites that won't let you past the sharing opt-in until you click agree - i.e. it is impossible to disagre…

> If they have no assets in Norway I imagine it may be hard to collect from them. I thought, but have never verified, that fines given as GDPR enforcement can be collected throughout the EU/EEA. If this is true, and if European courts uphold the fines when Grindr undoubtedly challenge them, then it's my understanding that the Norwegian DPA can have Grindr assets elsewhere in the EEA seized. Does anyone know for sure?

Not a lawyer, but I believe this is true
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