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Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by AnonC »

mythz wrote: post #138
jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

$0.25 /GB is pretty expensive. I'm using Hetzner Storage Box [1] which has tonnes of connectivity options where 1TB is only 9.40€ (works out at 0.0094€ /GB) [1] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box

Yes, Tarsnap is really quite expensive if you have data that doesn’t get deduplicated well.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by AnonC »

Saris wrote: post #81
jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

Am I reading that right, that 1TB of storage used would be $256 per month + bandwidth costs?

You should read HN posts from the past where @patio recommended that tarsnap should raise prices even more.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by saargrin »

this is absolutely not a dropbox replacement, this is a script that uploads your files to a cloud shared storage

dropbox client does so many more things (including compression,delta uploads,filehandle watch, incremental backup and so on)

i mean its fine if thats what you want,but that is not a backup solution by any means

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by pricechild »

fletchowns wrote: post #108
arsome wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As tarsnap is run by a single person, it seems hard to suggest it to serious businesses due to the inherent risks there as well as the extremely high storage costs and difficult cleanup procedures compared to competing tools. I tend to prefer solutions like restic + B2 for their price and support, where you at least have a larger company behind the storage backend, you could even directly use it with S3 and it'd stil…

Unfortunately restic was a no go for me due to not being compatible with B2 keys that only have the permissions readFiles,writeFiles,listBuckets,listFiles (no deleteFiles). I don't want the attacker to be able to delete any backups if the manage to get to the B2 keys. I believe this is the ticket that would add support for this to restic: https://github.com/restic/caddy/issues/2

You can work around this by sticking rclone in the middle which does support soft delete: https://pricey.uk/blog/restic-backups-without-delete/

In short, give rclone your keys, (small ~/.rclone config file) tell restic to use an rclone backend and add an extra argument when running restic. (See the blog link above, all explained)

There's an open issue for this which doesn't seem to have moved: https://github.com/restic/restic/issues/2134 - it does have a couple of PRs linked on there which implement proper soft-delete.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by marcus_holmes »

ww520 wrote: post #97
paxys wrote: post #39

There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

Yes. Been using Syncthing and it's been great. Only down side is there's no iOS port.

Another Syncthing fan here. The software is great. But I used DO spaces for storage and it's pricy. One of my "to do" lists for 2021 is find a cheaper storage solution and move my backups over.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by [deleted] »

hyperion2010 wrote: post #96
jmartrican wrote: post #86

Once I "git reset --hard" the wrong repo and lost a lot of code. Had to use Dropbox's rollback feature to get it all back. Was not the first time Dropbox saved my butt. For me, a comparable alternative would need to have the same rollback features.

git reflog?

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Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by tarruda »

centimeter wrote: post #46

High efficiency and very high performance trustless backup setup: send incremental (encrypted, compressed) ZFS snapshots to rsync.net, hetzner, or buyvm. This produces smaller backups than rsync or similar tools, produces them faster, and also shields your data from prying eyes, as it’s all encrypted when it leaves your machine.

Rsync.net also supports borg backups at a cheaper price than ZFS: https://www.rsync.net/products/borg.html

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by cowsandmilk »

LordAtlas wrote: post #114
jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

Wait, their pricing is $0.25 per GB per month, so $250 per month for 1 TB? What the heck?

The price is after tarsnap deduces and compresses, which it is quite good at and costs for 1 TB of real world data are much lower.

https://www.tarsnap.com/deduplication-examples

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by kornbattery »

csnover wrote: post #125
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They ban/lock first, ask questions later Given the sheer volume of dodgy packets that originate from DO network space, I find this surprising.

I guess I’m not terribly surprised. It fits a narrative, not of being overly protective, but of run-of-the-mill incompetence. Someone once used a DigitalOcean droplet to run an aggressive layer 7 denial of service attack against a service I host. I notified DO via their web form, didn’t get a reply for three days, then got told to email to their abuse@ email address instead. Dutifully, I mailed abuse@ and included th…

They're definitely on the theater side of security. I've got locked out of my account multiple times for no reason.

Furious the second time, I sent a crafted image of an invalid ID to check if they actually even care. It seems they don't, as the account got unlocked all the same.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by Maakuth »

ww520 wrote: post #97
paxys wrote: post #39

There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

Yes. Been using Syncthing and it's been great. Only down side is there's no iOS port.

Yep. It probably works quite well even between desktop, laptop and Android devices, but personally I have a home server running one instance. This allows me to always have the latest copies of files available for any of my devices and that's where the backups live too. Probably a Hetzner box or something should be quite cost effective way to have the same benefits.
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