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Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by imwillofficial »

whoopdedo wrote: post #107
homedrive wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can host Nextcloud at your home using something like NextcloudPi+DDNS ( https://nextcloudpi.com ) or HomeDrive ( https://homedrive.io , which has ngrok-ish end-to-end tunnels integrated), and the monthly cost would be almost $0. :)

I recently set up Nginx on a DO droplet as a reverse proxy to my home server over Wireguard. It's not $0 but it doesn't directly expose my home IP. And I have an authoritative resolver on the LAN so local clients go directly to the private address.

Can you share how you did this? I’ve had this idea for awhile but never figured out how to pull it off.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

jclulow wrote: post #105
arsome wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As tarsnap is run by a single person, it seems hard to suggest it to serious businesses due to the inherent risks there as well as the extremely high storage costs and difficult cleanup procedures compared to competing tools. I tend to prefer solutions like restic + B2 for their price and support, where you at least have a larger company behind the storage backend, you could even directly use it with S3 and it'd stil…

Oh my word, that article on tarsnap is a frightful bore. I was a tarsnap customer and I thought it was great. If Colin is happy running it more like a utility than a rapacious VC-backed hyper-growth racket, I'm not sure why that is bad. The only reason I stopped being a customer was because another rapacious racket of a business, Comcast, introduced miniscule but enforced data caps in my area, so online backups aren'…

> If Colin is happy running it more like a utility than a rapacious VC-backed hyper-growth racket, I'm not sure why that is bad.

I don't doubt your happiness, but I confess that I'm having trouble reconciling "running it more like a utility" with charging 25¢/GB per month for storage. That is just staggeringly high. What I'm paying $6/month for with Arq would be over $160/month if I were using Tarsnap, and I'm getting end-to-end encryption, deduplication, and versioned file backups. What advantages does Tarsnap bring to the table that justify such a tremendous cost?

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by cbozeman »

jamiesonbecker wrote: post #76
paxys wrote: post #39

There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

Instead of an instance, you could just rent a dedicated server with some mirrored TB of drives. For example, https://www.server4you.com/dedicated-server has 2x 2TB for $25/mo in St. Louis, MO and unmetered bandwidth. OVH Cloud in the U.S. has servers with 32GB of RAM and also 2x2TB drives starting at $59/mo and unmetered bandwidth. (both of these are French companies that are expanding into the U.S.) If you are inter…

I'm a big Hetzner dedicated server fan. I've been using them for 5 years after switching from OVH. Its astounding the amount of hardware and transfer they offer for a extremely reasonable price.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by pmontra »

homedrive wrote: post #56
paxys wrote: post #39

There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

You can host Nextcloud at your home using something like NextcloudPi+DDNS ( https://nextcloudpi.com ) or HomeDrive ( https://homedrive.io , which has ngrok-ish end-to-end tunnels integrated), and the monthly cost would be almost $0. :)

It's cheap if you already own the hardware. Even $300 could be 50 months (4 year) of a remote server at the prices suggested by some of the posts in this page.

Furthermore self hosting a backup server at home doesn't protect against burglars and fires. You'll probably lose both your data and their backup.

That's why I prefer a local backup plus a remote one (a combination of git repositories and file storage. )

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by ajmadesc »

azinman2 wrote: post #50
jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

My issue with tarsnap vs Dropbox is entirely workflow. Right now I can treat my Dropbox effectively as an external drive that happens to live on my file system by making everything selectively synced. If I want something backed up, I just drag it into that folder. But once it’s backed up I can turn on selective sync and free up my disk space. Backup of personal data is often a 1-way endeavor — here’s a dump of photos…

How do you make them sync?

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by foolmeonce »

gruez wrote: post #115
foolmeonce wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think hetzner is about half an expensive (€8 tb/m) and I personally prefer ssh/rsync to http/S3.

>I think hetzner is about half an expensive (€8 tb/m) What offering is that? Their "storage" page quotes 26 euros for 5TB.

The BX30 in 7.90 before any country specific tax. But that is the 1tb price as the price per TB is discounted by volume (and you get more snapshots, etc.)

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by mythz »

jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

$0.25 /GB is pretty expensive. I'm using Hetzner Storage Box [1] which has tonnes of connectivity options where 1TB is only 9.40€ (works out at 0.0094€ /GB)

[1] https://www.hetzner.com/storage/storage-box

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by AnonC »

jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

I would actually compare DigitalOcean to a Facebook or a Google or an Instagram. You’re banned or blocked and cannot reach a human to find out why or what can be done. DO support is just a bunch of auto mailers sending the same template emails, in my experience.
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