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Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by monkmartinez »

arcbyte wrote: post #99
CharlesW wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

QNAP's Qsync is their file sync service for QNAP NAS owners. https://www.qnap.com/en/utilities/essentials

This is what I use and I love it. Still working out what I want to do for backing it up to the cloud though. It has a very easy built on way to do that too, but im trying to figure out how "trust no one" I am with encryption and what exactly I really want to pay to keep around forever.

I have a QNAP for my whole family (Mom, Dad, Bro, Sis)... they can remote in and save pictures.

I then use cloudsync to backup to GCP nearline. All family pictures are there. Obviously, we don't store stuff that we don't want our mother to see. I take the risk of hacking, but a fire in my house is probably more likely than a hacking of my family photos on GCP. I figure just about everything else is ephemeral.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by secfirstmd »

jamiesonbecker wrote: post #76
paxys wrote: post #39

There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

Instead of an instance, you could just rent a dedicated server with some mirrored TB of drives. For example, https://www.server4you.com/dedicated-server has 2x 2TB for $25/mo in St. Louis, MO and unmetered bandwidth. OVH Cloud in the U.S. has servers with 32GB of RAM and also 2x2TB drives starting at $59/mo and unmetered bandwidth. (both of these are French companies that are expanding into the U.S.) If you are inter…

I've found Contabo to be even cheaper and despite what some have said, haven't had any issues with them.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by arsome »

I'd highly suggest Syncthing over this solution - no need to rely on 3rd parties for your data storage, let alone trust them with unencrypted copies of your data, if someone malicious worked at DigitalOcean and wanted to compromise you, it'd be trivial to put a malicious script in your Vault files. Especially if deplatforming is a concern something like Syncthing would avoid any reliance on a 3rd party that has visibility into your data.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by jclulow »

arsome wrote: post #100
jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

As tarsnap is run by a single person, it seems hard to suggest it to serious businesses due to the inherent risks there as well as the extremely high storage costs and difficult cleanup procedures compared to competing tools. I tend to prefer solutions like restic + B2 for their price and support, where you at least have a larger company behind the storage backend, you could even directly use it with S3 and it'd stil…

Oh my word, that article on tarsnap is a frightful bore. I was a tarsnap customer and I thought it was great. If Colin is happy running it more like a utility than a rapacious VC-backed hyper-growth racket, I'm not sure why that is bad.

The only reason I stopped being a customer was because another rapacious racket of a business, Comcast, introduced miniscule but enforced data caps in my area, so online backups aren't attractive anymore and I've gone back to external drives and offsite rotation. When I cancelled, Colin sent me a personal e-mail to make sure it was alright to delete my backups. It was probably the best exchange I've ever had with a service provider.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by dannyw »

freedomben wrote: post #45
jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

I had a terrible, terrifying experience with DO where they hard locked my account for days (and it would have been weeks if I hadn't made a huge stink) because of a misunderstanding. They ban/lock first, ask questions later, and that's not cool and I can't have my (and my customer's) important infrastructure treated that way. I now use Linode for most of my stuff, and once they have cloud firewalls available in Dalla…

I’ve had only positive experiences with Linode, including incidents where I faced absolutely massive DDoS attacks.

On the other hand, my account is suspended from DigitalOcean, I have multiple droplets they refuse to give the data to, and they even had the audacity to keep billing me until I did credit card chargebacks. I still have no idea why I was banned.

Maybe because I used the GitHub student pack promo but I had already finished uni? I don’t know.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by whoopdedo »

homedrive wrote: post #56
paxys wrote: post #39

There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

You can host Nextcloud at your home using something like NextcloudPi+DDNS ( https://nextcloudpi.com ) or HomeDrive ( https://homedrive.io , which has ngrok-ish end-to-end tunnels integrated), and the monthly cost would be almost $0. :)

I recently set up Nginx on a DO droplet as a reverse proxy to my home server over Wireguard. It's not $0 but it doesn't directly expose my home IP. And I have an authoritative resolver on the LAN so local clients go directly to the private address.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by fletchowns »

arsome wrote: post #100
jph wrote: post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

As tarsnap is run by a single person, it seems hard to suggest it to serious businesses due to the inherent risks there as well as the extremely high storage costs and difficult cleanup procedures compared to competing tools. I tend to prefer solutions like restic + B2 for their price and support, where you at least have a larger company behind the storage backend, you could even directly use it with S3 and it'd stil…

Unfortunately restic was a no go for me due to not being compatible with B2 keys that only have the permissions readFiles,writeFiles,listBuckets,listFiles (no deleteFiles). I don't want the attacker to be able to delete any backups if the manage to get to the B2 keys.

I believe this is the ticket that would add support for this to restic: https://github.com/restic/caddy/issues/2

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by josephg »

stevenhuang wrote: post #37
coryrc wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

tarsnap doesn't rent servers

Tarsnap uses AWS S3

Also both tarsnap and S3 have no idea what content they’re storing on your behalf. (Everything is encrypted at rest). So for tarsnap, deplatforming should never be an issue.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Post by imagica »

jclulow wrote: post #105
arsome wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As tarsnap is run by a single person, it seems hard to suggest it to serious businesses due to the inherent risks there as well as the extremely high storage costs and difficult cleanup procedures compared to competing tools. I tend to prefer solutions like restic + B2 for their price and support, where you at least have a larger company behind the storage backend, you could even directly use it with S3 and it'd stil…

Oh my word, that article on tarsnap is a frightful bore. I was a tarsnap customer and I thought it was great. If Colin is happy running it more like a utility than a rapacious VC-backed hyper-growth racket, I'm not sure why that is bad. The only reason I stopped being a customer was because another rapacious racket of a business, Comcast, introduced miniscule but enforced data caps in my area, so online backups aren'…

I wish things turn around and smaller shops make a comeback. Big is not always better, in fact the service is almost always an afterthought.
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