This looks cool but I'd be in the market for a software solution that gave me "games, races, and programs" with a Concept 2 + iPad. If anyone knows of such a product please let me know.
Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
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#182Looks super cool though. And I wish you luck. If I were in the market for a rower, and not already have one mostly collecting dust, it would be something I would definitely look hard at.
Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#183I was on crew in college and "form" is always one of the most important things. I feel like a short intro on how to row - at least so as not to hurt yourself - is probably in order. I can't tell you how many times I've been to the gym where there is a concept2 and watch probably 9 out of 10 people just hack away at if its a chainsaw.
NB: After reading this I watched a YouTube video and the ad was for a competitor product. That always weirds me out.
Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#184I love the idea and I wish you the best of luck. I was on crew in college and "form" is always one of the most important things. I feel like a short intro on how to row - at least so as not to hurt yourself - is probably in order. I can't tell you how many times I've been to the gym where there is a concept2 and watch probably 9 out of 10 people just hack away at if its a chainsaw. NB: After reading this I watched a…
Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#185Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#186Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…
The C2 is popular because it's the best available at the ~$1k price point and can be purchased locally in most markets.
Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#187Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…
Why is it hard or off as a beginner? I had the same issue at first but now I can ease off and do a straight 30 minutes. I assumed it was mental but it sounds like it's technique. Fwiw I have the Oartec DX, and it's very solidly built. On dynamic rowers like this, the seat stays pretty much in one place and it's mainly the footpad that moves. Supposedly it puts less stress on the lower back and knees, and more closely…
I don't see why not. My RP3 uses any Android tablet. I have like a 7-8" tablet in there, but there is no reason I couldn't put a much larger tablet like an 18.4" Galaxy View.
Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#188I love the idea and I wish you the best of luck. I was on crew in college and "form" is always one of the most important things. I feel like a short intro on how to row - at least so as not to hurt yourself - is probably in order. I can't tell you how many times I've been to the gym where there is a concept2 and watch probably 9 out of 10 people just hack away at if its a chainsaw. NB: After reading this I watched a…
Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#189Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…
The other challenge I is related to hardware. The reason why everyone is talking about the C2s is that pretty much every other machine is crap. The forces pulling on these machines are substantive and concept managed to make a machine that held up over time, unlike the others. So I hope you guys made those things sturdy enough. Robustness isn't the only reason C2s are considered the best. Unlike all the cheap brands,…
Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing
#190Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…
The Aviron Impact Series (an odd name for a low-impact exercise machine) rower is $2149, while a C2 Model D is $900.
The Model D has been in gyms for decades. Literally, your local gym may have one that's decades old and still in perfect shape. Olympic rowers train on them. A significant portion of people who row already have one and aren't going to need a replacement any time soon.
The video on Aviron's website focuses heavily on the software, but the rower itself does not look like it should cost twice what a C2 does. The belt is plastic. The rail's finish looks like it will wear off. The rear support looks less sturdy and stable than that of a C2. The ramrod straight handle looks blister-inducing. The whole thing looks very plastic. Note that I'm not saying the rower isn't worth the money. The build quality and ergonomics might be excellent. It just doesn't look like a rower that's worth 2.39 C2's.
The display is a big improvement over anything C2 sells, but $1249 can buy a pretty nice display and a basic computer to run it, or a big ol' tablet and a mount.
Peloton probably had an easier time entering the exercise bike market because there wasn't any one competitor as dominant as C2 is. However, they do now offer an app that lets people use their software and classes without buying a Peloton bike.
The question for Aviron is, can they sell their rower without their software being exclusive to it? They would undoubtedly find more users if they supported other rowers, C2 specifically, but would the extra monthly memberships bring in more than sales from their rower if the software remained exclusive to it?