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Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

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Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#181

This looks cool but I'd be in the market for a software solution that gave me "games, races, and programs" with a Concept 2 + iPad. If anyone knows of such a product please let me know.

Rowing is coming to Zwift, and you can already connect and row bike routes.

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#182
Totally get why you built one to meet your needs, but any thoughts on opening the app up? That is where the gap in the market is. I have a Water Rower, so I won't be buying your hardware (sorry), but if you open the app up I would be interested to try. I understand some of your workouts won't work without the resistance control, but there is a market out there for a good app. Since you already have one, might be a reasonable thing to look at. Although if all of the workouts need the resistance, than that could be a non started.

Looks super cool though. And I wish you luck. If I were in the market for a rower, and not already have one mostly collecting dust, it would be something I would definitely look hard at.

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#183
I love the idea and I wish you the best of luck.

I was on crew in college and "form" is always one of the most important things. I feel like a short intro on how to row - at least so as not to hurt yourself - is probably in order. I can't tell you how many times I've been to the gym where there is a concept2 and watch probably 9 out of 10 people just hack away at if its a chainsaw.

NB: After reading this I watched a YouTube video and the ad was for a competitor product. That always weirds me out.

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

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post #183

I love the idea and I wish you the best of luck. I was on crew in college and "form" is always one of the most important things. I feel like a short intro on how to row - at least so as not to hurt yourself - is probably in order. I can't tell you how many times I've been to the gym where there is a concept2 and watch probably 9 out of 10 people just hack away at if its a chainsaw. NB: After reading this I watched a…

Agree 100%. I see exactly the same thing. It's a recipe for lower back injury if form isn't good, and you really do need a bit of instruction to do it properly.

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#185
I'm disappointed dynamic rowers don't get more attention and love. I own a RowPerfect 3 and it is far superior in terms of motion and workout compared to any static rower. I've never really seen anyone learn good form that has either not been on the water or used a dynamic rower. Those who only have experience with static rowers really only learn to row poorly and then reinforce that poor form through repetition.

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#186

Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…

Completely disagree about all other machines being crap. The RP3 is way better than even a C2 with dynamic slides.

The C2 is popular because it's the best available at the ~$1k price point and can be purchased locally in most markets.

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#187

Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…

Why is it hard or off as a beginner? I had the same issue at first but now I can ease off and do a straight 30 minutes. I assumed it was mental but it sounds like it's technique. Fwiw I have the Oartec DX, and it's very solidly built. On dynamic rowers like this, the seat stays pretty much in one place and it's mainly the footpad that moves. Supposedly it puts less stress on the lower back and knees, and more closely…

> I guess a drawback is it doesn't really lend itself to a nice big screen like OP's project.

I don't see why not. My RP3 uses any Android tablet. I have like a 7-8" tablet in there, but there is no reason I couldn't put a much larger tablet like an 18.4" Galaxy View.

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#188
post #183

I love the idea and I wish you the best of luck. I was on crew in college and "form" is always one of the most important things. I feel like a short intro on how to row - at least so as not to hurt yourself - is probably in order. I can't tell you how many times I've been to the gym where there is a concept2 and watch probably 9 out of 10 people just hack away at if its a chainsaw. NB: After reading this I watched a…

I also 100% agree. We have 2 learn how to row videos on the rower and provide live feedback during workout programs to help users workout properly and correct their form. I'm sure there are other things we can do. Thanks for commenting!

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#189
post #99

Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…

The other challenge I is related to hardware. The reason why everyone is talking about the C2s is that pretty much every other machine is crap. The forces pulling on these machines are substantive and concept managed to make a machine that held up over time, unlike the others. So I hope you guys made those things sturdy enough. Robustness isn't the only reason C2s are considered the best. Unlike all the cheap brands,…

Huh I love C2s but have always felt that each rower s values were different. I'd feel the same level of exhaustion in one machine on a 3 compared to a ten on a different machine. Assumed some tolerance was off!

Re: Launch HN: Aviron (YC W21) – High-Intensity Peloton for Rowing

#190

Great idea! I used to be a competitive rower. When I was working at a gym during my studies I was actually talking with the managers of running some rowing classes (similar to spinning). I think the main challenge with rowing machines (and the reason why we didn't do rowing classes), is that for beginners there is essentially only hard or off, i.e. it is difficult to adjust to different exhaustion levels. That leads…

C2 really is the monster in the room. The rowing machine market is less diverse than exercise bikes, and C2 sits atop the mountain. Anyone who rows seriously (and many who don't) have used a C2 at some point.

The Aviron Impact Series (an odd name for a low-impact exercise machine) rower is $2149, while a C2 Model D is $900.

The Model D has been in gyms for decades. Literally, your local gym may have one that's decades old and still in perfect shape. Olympic rowers train on them. A significant portion of people who row already have one and aren't going to need a replacement any time soon.

The video on Aviron's website focuses heavily on the software, but the rower itself does not look like it should cost twice what a C2 does. The belt is plastic. The rail's finish looks like it will wear off. The rear support looks less sturdy and stable than that of a C2. The ramrod straight handle looks blister-inducing. The whole thing looks very plastic. Note that I'm not saying the rower isn't worth the money. The build quality and ergonomics might be excellent. It just doesn't look like a rower that's worth 2.39 C2's.

The display is a big improvement over anything C2 sells, but $1249 can buy a pretty nice display and a basic computer to run it, or a big ol' tablet and a mount.

Peloton probably had an easier time entering the exercise bike market because there wasn't any one competitor as dominant as C2 is. However, they do now offer an app that lets people use their software and classes without buying a Peloton bike.

The question for Aviron is, can they sell their rower without their software being exclusive to it? They would undoubtedly find more users if they supported other rowers, C2 specifically, but would the extra monthly memberships bring in more than sales from their rower if the software remained exclusive to it?

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