Live data from Hacker News

Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

somagnews.com

101–110 of 134 posts

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not just CPF and names were leaked, lots of correlated information was leaked too, such as credit scores, civil status (married, single, etc), gender, birth date, e-mail, phone number, home and work addresses, education level, job, salary, net income, tons of data about bank accounts, even face pictures! All that data, just available for anyone to dig in and do their worst. Source (pt-br) https://tecnoblog.net/404838…

Yes, plenty of data for anyone wanting to impersonate you and do social engineering virtually everwhere in the Brazilian territory.

Or find people nearby with a bit money and rob them?

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#102
post #98
post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, I hear you. Technically, anyone can get one, though I believe it comes with some annoying tax obligations, so it's not really something one would do as a tourist.

You can even get multiple numbers if you want. Though I think you're not supposed to.

> multiple numbers

At least it's not as wonky as our identity card number. For those who don't know, since our identity cards are emitted by the state governments, instead of the federal government, in theory a single person can have 27 different identity cards, one for each of the 26 states plus the federal district; all of them are valid in the whole country (and beyond, since some Mercosul treaties allow using the identity card instead of the passport).

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#103
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. The hacker has a contact email where you can send queries using the CPF (unique for each Brazilian) of whoever you want. He'll then send you a bitcoin address for payment and send you back the info.

It would be pretty short-sighted to reward such an individual.

Would it? Hacking on the internet is pretty much immune to conventional systems that keep people honest, like being able to be caught and prosecuted or social norms. I think it's more useful to see hackers as like a force of nature to defend against but which it's useless to try to do any moralizing about. The more hacking that happens, the more secure computers will (hopefully) be made in defense, and the less vulnerable to future hacks. Hopefully it's not an endless arms race and eventually we figure out standard ways to keep things secure as a result.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#104
post #102
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can even get multiple numbers if you want. Though I think you're not supposed to.

> multiple numbers At least it's not as wonky as our identity card number. For those who don't know, since our identity cards are emitted by the state governments, instead of the federal government, in theory a single person can have 27 different identity cards, one for each of the 26 states plus the federal district; all of them are valid in the whole country (and beyond, since some Mercosul treaties allow using the…

That's why there are all those proposals for a Cadastro Único (CU) that would fix this, right? :)

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#105
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This says that it leaked Brazilians' name & CPF numbers. CPF being the number that people give to every random shopkeeper to enter that tax lottery. So, it's... not exactly a big secret. To do most official-type things you have to go down to the cartório with your actual ID, not just enter the number. Heck, I've been to places where you had to use one to use the free wifi. Granted, in that particular case, it didn't…

Not just CPF and names were leaked, lots of correlated information was leaked too, such as credit scores, civil status (married, single, etc), gender, birth date, e-mail, phone number, home and work addresses, education level, job, salary, net income, tons of data about bank accounts, even face pictures! All that data, just available for anyone to dig in and do their worst. Source (pt-br) https://tecnoblog.net/404838…

Yeah, that's a bit more concerning. I only wanted to make the point that CPF is used very differently from how SSNs are used in the USA.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are describing is a "hard coup", while in the case of Dilma it was what can be described as a "soft coup".. Yes the congress followed all the legal proceedings, but in the end they did not proved that the accounting maneuver her government did was illegal and therefore unfit to what could be called as a legal impeachment proceeding. If you add this to everything that was happening behind the curtains, and hi…

> What you are describing is a "hard coup", while in the case of Dilma it was what can be described as a "soft coup".. That is inventing new words and definitions for your convenience. It cuts both ways, one can say it was a "democratic coup", a "constitutional coup", a "popular coup" (more than 60% of the population in favour), a "coup against tyranny and poverty" (worst reduction in GDP in 120 years), etc. Listen t…

> Listen to one of our most respected historians ...

Mentioning "O Globo" article from 2016, a news media that was part of the package that severely supported the coup, by constant manipulation of brazil's popular opinion, being one of the most influential TV channels of Brazil. A support that paved the way for Bolsonaro and all the right wing lunatics that are in power right now.

Also "one of our most respected historians", IDK, not from the field, but never heard of him. Maybe i should take from granted something he says over our past, but historians have not the best kind of training to understand the present time, sociologists and philosophers can do much better. Also knowing how 'Globo' works, it must have been hard to find a guy from social sciences that would corroborate with their distorted and manipulated point of view (And some point in time they will have to make a historical repair over all the wrongdoings in this case).

Marco Antonio Villa for instance is a well known historian, but is clearly a right wing supporter, with a clear political view and agenda, despite being against Bolsonaro nowadays. So there's no way to resort to prestige in the field and yet somehow say it have anything to do with objectivity, because we know this is not how it works in real life.

On the other way i can present you a lot of current newspapers pieces that say exactly the opposite. There is a trend now, that even people that supported this in the past, is starting to show a changed opinion about the subject, as the blind hate over Lula or PT is starting to make less sense nowadays, when all this had lead to this suffocating reality we are living.

> Lula, Dilma and her party tried to impeach Social Democrat President Fernando Henrique 45 (forty five!) times.

> By your own definition, they tried 45 coups, making them the biggest coupists in Brasil's history.

Don't know if those are the real numbers, but anyway, taking them for granted, none of them was approved, so it doesnt matter if it was 10, 100 or 1000. You are comparing oranges and apples here.

The only way to be comparable, it would be if one of them got approved, and without any legal grounds being proved, removed Fernando Henrique from his legitimate presidency. Than yes, i would say it would be a "soft coup", because it needs the green light from a lot of important people for this to happen without the right guidance under the law.

Because that's how you cook a coup that have the appearance of legitimacy, but once anyone digs enough, can see the how much it was flawed and corrupted from the very start (for instance, it started as a form of 'Cunha' blackmailing the president to stop the investigations on his corruption cases).

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I remember seeing the news, years ago, that a guy was trying to discover were spammers were getting his email. So he created a bunch of emails for different things. Guess which email started receiving spam very quickly? Yeah, the one he used for taxes

I remember in the 90s when we thought it was funny to sign people up for every newsletter we could find. You could basically destroy someone's email address making it forever unusable by spending an hour signing up for junk.

I was even able to dos my mail server with a bot that signed up newsletters.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#108
post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Everyone has cameras. How a photo of yourself with thumbs up isn’t required is beyond me. It’s extremely easy, and would cut down on a lot of fraud.

Which would mean you're constantly sending a photo of yourself with your thumbs up to people, and it becomes trivial to fake. I guess it could be "we need a selfie video of you reading this 6 digit number aloud".

...and with a shoe on your head.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#109
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> he only got freed from jail because of a new legal ruling that said that you can't be jailed until all appeals have been heard Actually Lula deliberately chose to stay imprisoned: https://veja.abril.com.br/politica/lula-nao-quer-cumprir-pen...

Your article refers to the "regime semiaberto" that Lula was offered after completing one sixth of his sentence. This was prior to the Brazilian Supreme Court ruling that released him on 8 November 2019. His case is still pending before the Supremo Tribunal Federal.

Translating: Lula could go on probation but deliberately chose to remain imprisoned because he did not '[...] recognized any legitimacy of the process which condemned him[...]'.

The supreme court then ruled that "you can't be jailed until all appeals have been heard". Only then he decided to get out of prison.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

#110
post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your article refers to the "regime semiaberto" that Lula was offered after completing one sixth of his sentence. This was prior to the Brazilian Supreme Court ruling that released him on 8 November 2019. His case is still pending before the Supremo Tribunal Federal.

Translating: Lula could go on probation but deliberately chose to remain imprisoned because he did not '[...] recognized any legitimacy of the process which condemned him[...]'. The supreme court then ruled that "you can't be jailed until all appeals have been heard". Only then he decided to get out of prison.

I don't think we're disagreeing with each other at this point. He was only actually freed by the supreme court ruling that he could not be jailed until all appeals (of which there are many) were exhausted.

Regime semiaberto is roughly equivalent to being allowed to go out under house arrest and wouldn't have changed his conditions much.

Post reply on HN