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Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

> DigitalOcean does deplatform people... I can suggest Tarsnap

Tarsnap runs on Amazon.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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I went down a bit of a rabbit hole of Digital Ocean and their "security" for production workloads.

> Show me any other vps provider that silently provides access to customer A's data to customer B after receiving commands from customer A to destroy their instance and then I'll believe you guys aren't at the very bottom of the "takes security seriously" list.

From: https://github.com/fog/fog/issues/2525#issuecomment-31337481

YC News Discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6983097

> You do not need to scrub or write anything to not provide user A’s data to user B in a multi-tenant environment. Sparse allocation can easily return nulls to a reader even while the underlying block storage still contains the old data. ... On top of all of that, when I pointed out that what they were doing was absolute amateur hour clownshoes, they oscillated between telling me it was a design decision working as intended (and that it was fine for me to publicize it), and that I was an irresponsible discloser by sharing a vulnerability.

From: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20091026

> You've got an additional problem though, which is that this tells us you have two support channels: one that doesn't work (i.e. yours, the one you built), and one that does (Twitter-shaming). The first channel represents how you act when no one's watching; the second, how you act when they are. Most people prefer to deal with people for whom those two are the same.

From: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20064169

Speaking of randomly locking accounts, the post-mortem kills me:

> The initial account lock and resource power down resulted from an automated service that monitors for cryptocurrency mining activity (Droplet CPU loads and Droplet create behaviors). These signals, coupled with a number of account-level signals (including payment history and current run rate compared to total payments) are used to determine if automated action is warranted to minimize the impact of potential fraudulent high-cpu-loads on other customers.

From: https://www.digitalocean.com/blog/an-update-on-last-weeks-cu...?

In other other words, DO will kill your account with a curt email staring simply: "We have reviewed your account and have declined to activate it. No further information or action is required from you." for simply using "too much CPU"! https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D76ocofXoAY_xB5.png

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

They flagged my account and pulled 100% of my servers with no mitigation for 12 hours until I convinced them I was legitimate. DO still handles that incredibly poorly, which is the reason we no longer host anything critical there.

I’ve been hearing about this happen for a long time. Unfortunate that it’s still the case.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh yes, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20064169

Did they ever post the post mortem? It doesn't sound like they changed policies that automatically block flags accounts.

Yes, it's in that thread a few days later albeit not easy to find.

https://blog.digitalocean.com/an-update-on-last-weeks-custom...

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

Exactly. I use Nextcloud with Spaces as a backend. It’s been sitting there for months by now.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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post #39

There is a lot of open source file sync software out there (ownCloud, NextCloud, Seafile, Syncthing, ...) that would be much better suited for a self-hosted Dropbox replacement than a single bash script. You are many orders of magnitude more likely to lose your data due to a code bug or unstable network than deplatforming. I looked into setting up something of the sort for myself a little while ago, but unfortunately…

Instead of an instance, you could just rent a dedicated server with some mirrored TB of drives.

For example, https://www.server4you.com/dedicated-server has 2x 2TB for $25/mo in St. Louis, MO and unmetered bandwidth.

OVH Cloud in the U.S. has servers with 32GB of RAM and also 2x2TB drives starting at $59/mo and unmetered bandwidth. (both of these are French companies that are expanding into the U.S.) If you are interested in other locations (including Canada), check out ovh.com, kimsufi.com, and soyoustart.com (all part of the enormous OVH global footprint).

If you're in EMEA, or don't mind an extra 100 or so millisecond (SSH works fine), check out OVH and Scaleway (France), and of course Hetzner (Germany). Each of these offer dedicated servers for very reasonable prices, and copious amounts of bandwidth with reasonable pings to almost anywhere.

For example, https://www.kimsufi.com/us/en/servers.xml currently has 500GB hard drive servers with Intel Atoms available for $5/mo in both Canada and France, or bigger hard drives for just a few bucks more. This is OVH's cheapest line of servers, but OVH does a pretty extensive burn-in test before deploying them to you, and they tend to be pretty solid. (keep backups in case a hard drive fails, but that's always a good idea anyway.)

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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I went down a bit of a rabbit hole of Digital Ocean and their "security" for production workloads. > Show me any other vps provider that silently provides access to customer A's data to customer B after receiving commands from customer A to destroy their instance and then I'll believe you guys aren't at the very bottom of the "takes security seriously" list. From: https://github.com/fog/fog/issues/2525#issuecomment-3…

I would pin this post to the top if I could. Thanks for this info!

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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I went down a bit of a rabbit hole of Digital Ocean and their "security" for production workloads. > Show me any other vps provider that silently provides access to customer A's data to customer B after receiving commands from customer A to destroy their instance and then I'll believe you guys aren't at the very bottom of the "takes security seriously" list. From: https://github.com/fog/fog/issues/2525#issuecomment-3…

Is there anything commercial that is both cheap and popular that doesn't cut corners to get there?

edit: Point being, I don't see how DO could get their act together as their business model essentially requires them to act like this. If they don't cut corners in one area then they will somewhere else.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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I must say, I concur with this person’s assessment of the Goog-exit feeling. I ditched GMail for Fastmail and my own domain last week. I had been putting this off for years because it seemed like such a massive pain in the ass and I was afraid that I would just end up with two email services.

In the end, it took me one evening to update every service that I cared about to use my new address. The rest (mostly e-commerce companies) I’ve been doing as I use them.

Re: Replacing Dropbox in favor of DigitalOcean spaces

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post #13

You wrote about deplatforming-- heads up that DigitalOcean does deplatform people. I have direct firsthand knowledge of DigitalOcean deplatforming a security disclosure professional reporting a root breach bug. For your secure backups, I can suggest Tarsnap by Colin Percival, who's a security expert and a frequent contributor on Hacker News. I don't get anything for recommending Tarsnap; I'm just a customer. https://…

This seems insanely expensive compared to Restic combined with backblaze
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