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How would anyone know they are baseless unless a proper investigation is conducted independently? What about the thousands of sworn affidavits? Surely, ALL of them can't be lying.
Yeah, right. And surely Rudy wasn't actually farting in court without wearing a mask. Or dripping black slime down his face beside a dildo store. Or putting his hands down his pants in a hotel room in the Borat movie.
Imagine how much we could cut out.
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Dominion seem to be spinning this out as a campaign, so I doubt Giuliani is the end point. I also doubt Trump is the end point.
I wouldn't be surprised of Rudy goes scorched earth and drags Trump in, but maybe get off the Qoolaid if you think Dominion are the conspiracy here...
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For a community (HN) so focused on technology and the future, I'm surprised to see support for antiquated technology such as paper ballots. Does the future of voting not belong to online remote voting, like almost everything else? You can even buy a house from your phone now. In the future, we will know the results of the election as soon as the online polls close. The future is paperless.
I'm surprised to see support for antiquated technology such as paper ballots. "Antiquated" is a loaded word that smacks of ageism. Restaurants are antiquated, too. Do you never go out to eat? Does the future of voting not belong to online remote voting, like almost everything else? Are you trying to say that every other country votes paperless? Because that's simply not true. You can even buy a house from your phone…
The modern restaurants is kind of recent, right? It was invented around the same time as the bicycle.
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No one ever claimed that hand-counting is perfect. Is isn't. For example, all of the Chicago ballot boxes that famously ended up in Lake Michigan in the middle of the last century. But hand-counting works because it's virtually impossible to coordinate fraud widespread enough to actually make a difference. Whereas, if your entire voting system is computerized and all the computers are linked together, causing widespr…
Good thing hand counting can be (and is) used with the Dominion voting machines to verify the electronic result, then.
Instead of filing massive law suits, why doesn't Dominion attempt to prove, without a shadow of a doubt, that the machines were _not_ biased with technical evidence. I feel that open sourcing their code would definitely do the trick. It is kinda baffling that something as important as an election is ran on closed-source proprietary codebase.
Ken White has been talking about the potential for this suit for a couple weeks now. He spends a lot of time talking about what isn't defamation --- people use defamation suits and threats thereof to chill free speech, and he's a 1st Amendment guy --- but the Dominion cases are apparently examples of very serious defamation cases. The core of defamation is (1) a false statement of purported fact that (2) causes damag…
> The problem is that it's not totally clear whether Giuliani believed any of his crazy-talk. It may actually be the case that Giuliani is just off his rocker. If he himself was sold by the (false) facts he received from others, he is a more difficult defamation target. In a court case in Antrim county Michigan a judge allowed an audit, which showed voting machine fraud. You can read the report here: https://assets.d…
Whatever the problems experienced in the initial tabulation because of a mismatch between client and server software revisions, it is very difficult to falsify paper ballots especially under so much recount scrutiny.
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It's still super relevant to note that whereever they were in court Rudy et al were very careful to say we're not alleging or prosecuting fraud here because they could be hit with perjury for lying to the court. When not under the treat of perjury is when the election was a fraud.
As far as I know he only said that in the Pennsylvania case, because they had quite a strong argument there that the rules changes made in Pennsylvania violated their state constitution, and then given limited time/resources they went with the argument there that was easier to prove. But that was one of the cases dismissed over procedure. The courts essentially said they should have complained about it before the ele…
They specifically either did not make or withdrew fraud allegations in many cases. It's true that the PA case is the only one where Giuliani was stupid enough to repeatedly invoke fraud in arguments despite it not being in the allegations or evidence in that case, thereby getting questioned by the judge on that point, and thus being forced to admit his arguments on those points weren't germane to the actual lawsuit he was discussing (similar, though different in detail problems were endemic to the Trump/Kraken lawsuits, like broad claims of counting irregularities in lawsuits in one state being supported by detailed allegations specifying specific facilities in another state.)
> And part of this is a problem specifically because they never really got to have a trial and do discovery and all of that.
False. A number of the election cases went to trial (6 out of 54 tracked on Wikipedia reached a final verdict after trial, and 1 is listed as trial ongoing, though that may be out of date).
> But if the cases get dismissed on procedure then you have one side saying "all your cases were dismissed so shut up" and the other side saying they never actually got their day in court and nothing to ever reconcile them because both statements are true.
Well, procedure matters. Especially when you deliberately delay claims you believed you had simply to prevent the availability of simple remedies. If you have a problem with cases dismissed for gross procedural failings, take it up with the people who bungled the procedure in dozens of separate cases.
Ken White has been talking about the potential for this suit for a couple weeks now. He spends a lot of time talking about what isn't defamation --- people use defamation suits and threats thereof to chill free speech, and he's a 1st Amendment guy --- but the Dominion cases are apparently examples of very serious defamation cases. The core of defamation is (1) a false statement of purported fact that (2) causes damag…
There have been audits showing inconsistencies in the dominion systems in Michigan. https://beta.documentcloud.org/documents/20423772-antrim-cou... In addition they have videos of dominion employees supposedly explaining how to flip votes. https://thespectator.info/2021/01/04/new-video-shows-dominio... If you watched the state senate hearings you can see these. Witnesses share their findings. As far as I’m aware Giul…
Rudy has a YouTube channel, you can hear him make his allegations and judge if it amounts to defamation. Most of them seem to be carefully phrased. https://www.youtube.com/c/RudyWGiuliani/videos Of all the claims that stuck out to me is the suitcase video, since it time corresponds with a one sided spike of votes.
That's a lot of footage. Can you point to some more specific example of these "carefully phrased allegations" to check out, if I'm mildly curious, but not that interested to spend much time investigating?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUtmBrgIC9w
But you can also watch his commentary on the suitcase video here: