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Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by Natsu » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 7:43 PM UTC

oscargrouch wrote: post #42

Natsu wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The previous government (removed illegitimacy in a coup) Dilma was impeached and removed, Temer finished her term, then Bolsonaro won the election after getting stabbed, and nearly killed, by opposition supporters. I know he's highly controversial, but he did win the election. The removal of Dilma is not normally what one would describe as a "coup." The military junta from 1969, however, is.

What you are describing is a "hard coup", while in the case of Dilma it was what can be described as a "soft coup".. Yes the congress followed all the legal proceedings, but in the end they did not proved that the accounting maneuver her government did was illegal and therefore unfit to what could be called as a legal impeachment proceeding. If you add this to everything that was happening behind the curtains, and hi…

Even if you say the ouster of Dilma was illegitimate, there's the fact that her VP served out the rest of her term, then the party lost the next election. There's no "coup" because there was no loss of power by anything other than the democratic process.

Now of course there have been all sorts of dirty political dealings, those just aren't described by the word "coup." That said, if some day Bolsonaro or others forms a new junta, then I will agree with you at that later time. But that day is not today, unless I am slow in receiving news of a newly formed junta.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by xiphias2 » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 7:44 PM UTC

Shivetya wrote: post #22

xiphias2 wrote: post #4

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I treat my face, name, birthday and numbers as open data. Maybe companies should stop using these things for verification and start allowing people to use cryptography more efficiently.

Companies? How about your government? I have a coworker who had returns filed against them by someone in prison! If that does not startle people how about that in some states absentee votes are merely verified against a signature on file. What we need is a means that others can be sure it really is us and we can sure that actions we have taken are credited to us and those we did not are not. In effect we will need a…

I don’t see much difference between companies and governments, that’s why having an authentication standard that is accepted by all of them (and users as well) is important.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by marcosdumay » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 7:45 PM UTC

Fabricio20 wrote: post #26

marcosdumay wrote: post #24

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Thanks, finally somebody telling what data is on the leak. > Information on the more than 104 million vehicles reveals important details, such as chassis number, license plate, municipality, color, make, model, year of manufacture, engine capacity and even the type of fuel used. In the case of legal entities, the following were leaked: CNPJ, corporate name, trade name and date of foundation. Every piece of informatio…

This link [0] may have the information you are looking for. The link above seems to be from an unrelated breach, the one discussed in the OP affects pretty much everything, not even your LinkedIn profile managed to escape. [0]: https://tecnoblog.net/404838/exclusivo-vazamento-que-expos-2...

Wow, yes, that has the information. That's a really broad leak.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by pelasaco » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:01 PM UTC

I don't see how it can be new. When I lived some years in Brazil (around 1999-2001), and you could buy at a specific street in Sao Paulo, a CD with all the taxes information from every brazilian citizen.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by jccooper » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:09 PM UTC

mixmastamyk wrote: post #45

vmception wrote: post #37

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I dont bother being secretive about SSN, its security theatre. The person in earshot has a lower likelihood of bothering with it when every service provider that also has it will get mass hacked and are the primary targets. I use a separate TIN or EIN (Tax/Employer Identification Number) where I can. All my businesses have one, even a sole proprietorship that exists purely in your head can obtain one, and this can go…

Interesting, if you get paid on another TIN does it effectively become your main SSN? What about at retirement time? Would like to hear more about this.

EINs don't accumulate Social Security, but when you file taxes you'll pay "self-employment tax" on earnings from that "business" and those go to your personal SS account.

When you use an EIN you're basically claiming to act as a business. For some cases, you can do that just fine. But a lot of SSN requests for identification or credit checks it won't work. And anyone who cares that it's a SSN vs a TIN can figure that out easily.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by danilocesar » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:10 PM UTC

Even tough it's sound pretty bad and big (and it is), this is not new to brazilians. It's a known thing that you can buy DVDs (yes, DVDs) with personal data from millions of Brazilians customers on the streets of Sao Paulo. Daylight market (called Camelo's).

There was some news articles about it a few years ago. Even the former president data was there. Social Security Number (not as secret as it is in the US and Canada), address, name, phone number. Even some family relations. It was pretty cheap.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by gcblkjaidfj » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:26 PM UTC

Natsu wrote: post #51

oscargrouch wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you are describing is a "hard coup", while in the case of Dilma it was what can be described as a "soft coup".. Yes the congress followed all the legal proceedings, but in the end they did not proved that the accounting maneuver her government did was illegal and therefore unfit to what could be called as a legal impeachment proceeding. If you add this to everything that was happening behind the curtains, and hi…

Even if you say the ouster of Dilma was illegitimate, there's the fact that her VP served out the rest of her term, then the party lost the next election. There's no "coup" because there was no loss of power by anything other than the democratic process. Now of course there have been all sorts of dirty political dealings, those just aren't described by the word "coup." That said, if some day Bolsonaro or others forms…

Does brazil have a 50c army like china now?

> then the party lost the next election.

with the running candidate jailed with obviously fabricated evidence and released last year with no conviction. All the while with whatsapp campaigns promoting pizza-gate like conspiracies.

> her VP served out the rest of her term

that I fully blame on the party picking an extremely right wing to be able to get elected. But don't make the soft coup less of a coup. The VP was choose to get support from the farmers and religious groups that control most of the interior of the country, and they payed the price for that.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by malandrew » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:39 PM UTC

jbotz wrote: post #40

The Brazilian blog "Tecnoblog" has the full details here[1], with a list of all the information allegedly included in this data. If they are correct that's pretty much everything about everybody... I mean personal info (like addresses and phones, family, education, employer), financial info (like bank accounts, salary, credit score, creditors, bounced checks, whether receiving government assistance), other background…

Is there a way for someone to look up what leaked about them so they can determine how problematic this could be?

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by danilocesar » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:39 PM UTC

reaperducer wrote: post #31

xiphias2 wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I treat my face, name, birthday and numbers as open data. Maybe companies should stop using these things for verification and start allowing people to use cryptography more efficiently.

I treat my face, name, birthday and numbers as open data. So because you don't value privacy and choose not to control you personal data, nobody else deserves privacy or to control their personal data?

He will change his mind when he realize that the information his bank uses to verify his identify is part of his open data now...

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Post by Kaze404 » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 8:43 PM UTC

dyingkneepad wrote: post #15

> “No, we have bigger problems than that to worry about.” Pretty much that. In the "Maslow's pyramid of government-related needs", the doxxing is near the top. People are much more worried with stuff like not dying to covid, not being kidnapped, not dying in traffic, paying the dreaded Boletos (bills), etc. Internet doxxing is dwarfed by the more urgent needs. Brazilians are also sure that exactly zero things are goi…

We must live in very different parts of Brazil because around these parts no one seems to care about Covid, which doesn't surprise me considering the message we get from the federal government.