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Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Which would mean you're constantly sending a photo of yourself with your thumbs up to people, and it becomes trivial to fake. I guess it could be "we need a selfie video of you reading this 6 digit number aloud".

Video verification is completely normal at this point

Deepfakes.

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The original comment is likely a troll, but the current goverment did place a bunch of amateur hacks on the highest positions of power, which led to things like the minister of culture asserting to the public that woman belongs in the kitchen, or that the minister of education asserting in public that the humanities like sociology and history must disappear from the face of earth, and the ministry of environment sayi…

> The previous government (removed illegitimacy in a coup) Dilma was impeached and removed, Temer finished her term, then Bolsonaro won the election after getting stabbed, and nearly killed, by opposition supporters. I know he's highly controversial, but he did win the election. The removal of Dilma is not normally what one would describe as a "coup." The military junta from 1969, however, is.

What you are describing is a "hard coup", while in the case of Dilma it was what can be described as a "soft coup"..

Yes the congress followed all the legal proceedings, but in the end they did not proved that the accounting maneuver her government did was illegal and therefore unfit to what could be called as a legal impeachment proceeding.

If you add this to everything that was happening behind the curtains, and history will make this even more clear, yes it was a coup, just that, this is of a different sort. (BTW a lot of important players of the time are starting to confess everything they did, and how dirty it was)

Imagine that without any legal proof, the legislative chamber can throw out any legitimate president basically nullifying the people wish and therefore, the democracy. Also this will make the legislative power, the most powerful one over the two others, going against the three power(separation of powers) concept of Montesquieu.

That's why the impeachment proceeding cannot be only based in political grounds, but also need a clear legal basis on the government doing something wrong based on the current legal framework.

In the case of Dilma, only the political axis was at play, and a dirty one i must say, where they didn't respect the legal grounds and in the end there was no proof of her wrongdoing's.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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> vulnerable to 220 million people. In a country with 207 million people. This means that even the dead can't rest in peace. On the bright side, we'll not have any data leaks anymore because there will be no more secrets to leak. :)

Probably concerns citizens living abroad as well

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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I treat my face, name, birthday and numbers as open data. Maybe companies should stop using these things for verification and start allowing people to use cryptography more efficiently.

I treat my face, name, birthday and numbers as open data. So because you don't value privacy and choose not to control you personal data, nobody else deserves privacy or to control their personal data?

I don't think he meant it as nobody deserves privacy and to control their personal data.

I took it as a "it's there anyway and there's no point for me to pretend that it is not".

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Reminds me of the American SSN. ”This number is super secret and you must guard it with your life and never share! Oh also write it down on every semi-official form, send by paper mail, and enter into all sorts of webapps”

I dont bother being secretive about SSN, its security theatre. The person in earshot has a lower likelihood of bothering with it when every service provider that also has it will get mass hacked and are the primary targets. I use a separate TIN or EIN (Tax/Employer Identification Number) where I can. All my businesses have one, even a sole proprietorship that exists purely in your head can obtain one, and this can go…

Interesting, if you get paid on another TIN does it effectively become your main SSN? What about at retirement time? Would like to hear more about this.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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post #28

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This says that it leaked Brazilians' name & CPF numbers. CPF being the number that people give to every random shopkeeper to enter that tax lottery. So, it's... not exactly a big secret. To do most official-type things you have to go down to the cartório with your actual ID, not just enter the number. Heck, I've been to places where you had to use one to use the free wifi. Granted, in that particular case, it didn't…

Reminds me of the American SSN. ”This number is super secret and you must guard it with your life and never share! Oh also write it down on every semi-official form, send by paper mail, and enter into all sorts of webapps”

But the American SSN, while abused, is still supposed to be a secret.

I don't believe the Brazilian CPN is meant to be a secret at all. It's used for literally everything.

In America, you don't give your SSN to your utility company or when signing up for an online subscription. But in Brazil, you use your CPF to do that.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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Video verification is completely normal at this point

Deepfakes.

Deepfakes are not yet that good for live video, but you are right, using an open authentication standard that can be transferred between devices would be the only good solution at this point.

Companies and governments could verify me live to authenticate my public keys.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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post #35
post #28

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This says that it leaked Brazilians' name & CPF numbers. CPF being the number that people give to every random shopkeeper to enter that tax lottery. So, it's... not exactly a big secret. To do most official-type things you have to go down to the cartório with your actual ID, not just enter the number. Heck, I've been to places where you had to use one to use the free wifi. Granted, in that particular case, it didn't…

Reminds me of the American SSN. ”This number is super secret and you must guard it with your life and never share! Oh also write it down on every semi-official form, send by paper mail, and enter into all sorts of webapps”

Sure, the SSN is used a lot but it's normally more for things on the level of bank accounts or signing up with a new employer, where there's some serious investment and need to validate your identity. When you enter it into a website, it'd better be for an important reason.

The CPF is something you might use at the grocery store when buying a piece of fruit in the hopes of winning 1000 BRL from the government for helping the store prove that it's paying its taxes. Go to SP and every shop will ask "CPF na nota?" True, you can just answer "não obrigado/obrigada" but from what I saw, most people give it out.

You just don't see that same level of usage in the USA. You're not going to wander into some store and have the shopkeeper ask for your SSN as soon as you get to the counter.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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post #43

> vulnerable to 220 million people. In a country with 207 million people. This means that even the dead can't rest in peace. On the bright side, we'll not have any data leaks anymore because there will be no more secrets to leak. :)

Probably concerns citizens living abroad as well

I was born dual US/Brazil and left Brazil just after turning 18 about 36 years ago, wondering wondering whether I'm in the leak and whether anyone could use my info to open illicit bank accounts, etc. I don't want to be associated with money-laundering, and am too far in headspace from financial-institutions/credit-bureaus to check it out.

Re: Giant leak exposes data from almost all Brazilians

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I dont bother being secretive about SSN, its security theatre. The person in earshot has a lower likelihood of bothering with it when every service provider that also has it will get mass hacked and are the primary targets. I use a separate TIN or EIN (Tax/Employer Identification Number) where I can. All my businesses have one, even a sole proprietorship that exists purely in your head can obtain one, and this can go…

Interesting, if you get paid on another TIN does it effectively become your main SSN? What about at retirement time? Would like to hear more about this.

“Effectively become your main SSN” no but loaded question. less places would have your ssn or tin. the only difference it really makes is peace of mind and relying on the current reality that hackers aren't targeting you or anyone specifically and you will have an additional way to verify yourself if someone did try to do identity theft or whatever you’re worried about. Online People databases will still be reporting pieces of your older SSN while you have been primarily giving services a different number.

retirement time isnt a problem. if your business is getting paid and the person that pays needs your tin/ein then thats what they get instead of your ssn. You are still paying self employment taxes contributing to retirement.

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