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Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by jidiculous » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 2:11 AM UTC

perryizgr8 wrote: post #86

aldanor wrote: post #19

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Same here in regards to Magit. I've tried seriously using Emacs (Spacemacs) for a year or two, but something always doesn't work as intended, code completion and static analysis is extremely hard to configure, especially you have some non-standard project setups. Then switched to a mix of vim for simple stuff or clion/pycharm in vim mode for rust/cpp/python... BUT, subjectively, Magit is the best git client ever crea…

Why do you need to use a git "client"? What's wrong with just using the standard CLI? I use VS code and never bother with its git ui. Just open a terminal and use git commands.

imo the strength of Magit (and its author has certainly said so) is that while the Git CLI provides a slightly different interface that you have to learn for each different operation, Magit provides a consistent UI for every single Git operation it supports (around 90% of Git features).

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by jonrx » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

Filligree wrote: post #218

emptysongglass wrote: post #198

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I don't understand why people are moving Linux --> Windows. At the company I work for everything is native to Linux--I am floored by the number of interns we get who are using Windows (it's all of them). We have an intake script for getting them up on WSL2 with our stack on top but man these graduates are CompSci people and they did 4 plus years of CompSci using Windows? I can only imagine the pain. Or rather, I know…

Speaking as someone who regularly attempts to switch back to Linux, I did that because the Windows desktop is a genuinely nicer experience. In no particular order... - The traditional start menu / taskbar is genuinely nicer than what Gnome attempts to force on me. OS X is also genuinely nicer than what Gnome attempts to force on me. I'd take either over Gnome. - The Linux desktop environment is laggy. This is difficu…

I used Linux (XPS15) at work for a 3 month period (Pop_OS!), mostly because I really enjoy using Emacs (and the performance on stock Windows is lacklustre). With the exception of bluetooth, which is absolutely tragic on Linux (I have issues with bluetooth everywhere, but this is next level), 40% of my job was actually very good using that computer.

On the flip side, my job uses Office and Teams quite extensively, and the browser experience is subpar. OneDrive sync is also spotty (InSync works ok, but it's not "set and forget" at least for my use-case). Everything works, but it's less easy than on macOS or Windows, so you have the added cognitive load. I ended up having a VM with Windows when I really need it. It got ridiculous when I needed to join Teams on my phone and my laptop to get sound and share my screen.

On top of that, Linux works very well for the fun work. I don't especially like doing PowerPoint decks or blazing through emails, but because the tools are less friendly, I end up spending more time doing stuff I don't enjoy doing. It means that my productivity gets lower. I miss i3, the familiar command line, all the goodies I got to discover and enjoy on my "play" machine, but the 60% remaining got more tedious.

I ended up moving back to a macbook air (which is less powerful than my Dell) because of the "lack of configuration" to get it to somewhere where I feel "peak productive". Some stuff at work I just want to get "done", and ultimately Linux (or the lack of good Linux compatibility with some of the tools my workplace mandates) went in the way.

I used WSL1 a little while back. It was nice, but it was another thing to get setup which I am not familiar with. I'll get windows back on the XPS and try, maybe it'll strike the right balance.

A bummer, really.

Re: The values of Emacs, the Neovim revolution, and the VSCode gorilla

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Post by mbrodersen » Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 2:02 AM UTC

eadmund wrote: post #330

mbrodersen wrote: post #311

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I work at a place where developers have no problem switching between different OS’es. And I would not hire and prefer to not work with developers who refuse to work on anything but a specific OS.

I could be wrong, but it seems like someone who is happy to frequently switch between macOS, Linux & Windows is probably not actually taking advantage of all the features of any of them, and hence is not actually terribly productive (assuming arguendo that those features actually aid productivity). For my part, I use emacs on Linux because I believe the power of computers is in crafting a personalised productivity en…

> probably not actually taking advantage of all the features of any of them

Yep they are probably too busy doing their job: creating value for customers. Instead of having fun fiddling with their OS.