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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by pupdogg »

The article states that at one point in time, at a voluntary hearing in Michigan, Dominion CEO said "It is technologically impossible to see votes being counted in real-time or to flip them". I think that everybody here is fairly technically inclined so what are your guys thoughts on this? My personal opinion is that using the term "technologically impossible" in this instance was not a good idea.

If @antirez is reading this, would love if you could provide any useful insights. FYI, I ask becuase of your background in research and development of "TCP Idle Scan" back in '98.

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Post by polishTar »

phone8675309 wrote: post #74
tartoran wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's their right to defend their reputation. If there is any proof against them let those come to light and if the machines are indeed not good let the company go belly up. But what if the allegations are lies? Shouldn't the originators of those lies take responsibility?

Of course they should be able to sue if the can show actual damages, but then that’s not chilling speech. I took GP meaning that they want corporations to shut down anything they don’t like. That’s typically what’s meant by chilling speech.

Laws against defamation chill defamation.

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Post by wolfram74 »

adictator wrote: post #38
yesdocs wrote: post #8

I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy

How would anyone know they are baseless unless a proper investigation is conducted independently? What about the thousands of sworn affidavits? Surely, ALL of them can't be lying.

From my understanding 1) many of those affidavits were just hear say with little corroborating evidence, extreme claims "The US government is fundamentally illegitimate" requires more extreme evidence than "I heard a guy who said they were a poll watch saw things go weird"

2) and other witnesses wildly embellished their credibility, Joshua Merritt, aka "Spider" aka "Spyder" was listed as a military intelligence expert, while what is able to be verified is that he enlisted in the training program but failed to complete the entry level material.

The arguments have been made, the evidence has been examined, to say /no/ investigation has occurred is willfully misinformed at this point.

1)https://www.clickondetroit.com/news/politics/2020/12/04/evid...

2)https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/sidney-powell-...

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by lovecg »

covidthrow wrote: post #93
CydeWeys wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dominion voting machines use human-readable printed ballots as a backup auditing mechanism. In all of the disputed states these paper ballots were hand counted (sometimes multiple times) and the original electronically reported results were confirmed. So how are these voting machines complete bullshit exactly? What do you think the mechanism of attack is, and do you have any sources other than just your speculation?

If I give you $100 to put in my bank account, and you print off your own receipt that my $100 made it into the account, what exactly does that prove? Now let's pretend you don't even give me that receipt, but you just keep it for your own accounting. I later find my $100 isn't in my account. But hey, you have a receipt you printed that says you put it in my account. If you're honest, this system works. If I can't tru…

If you then compare the total in your bank account to the sum of the receipts and it matches, then all is good.

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Post by reaperducer »

corrys wrote: post #46
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.

Hand counting can be manipulated too [0], so the idea that we can just move back to it and save our democracy is not accurate (or at least not a complete solution). In other words, dishonest politicians will find ways to exploit our fears even if we use paper ballots. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02613...

No one ever claimed that hand-counting is perfect. Is isn't. For example, all of the Chicago ballot boxes that famously ended up in Lake Michigan in the middle of the last century.

But hand-counting works because it's virtually impossible to coordinate fraud widespread enough to actually make a difference. Whereas, if your entire voting system is computerized and all the computers are linked together, causing widespread changes are much more possible.

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Post by nostromo »

ncallaway wrote: post #55
rpiguyshy wrote: post #14

before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

The good news is election security researchers mostly agree with you. The prevailing opinion of election security professionals is that State election systems should be designed assuming the machines are insecure and the process should be tolerant to that fault. That's why many states that use electronic voting or tabulation produce a voter verifiable paper trail. That means, when you're done voting the machine gives…

The attack vector isn’t the tabulation, it’s the mail-in ballot sleeves.

The identity of the voter is on the outer envelope which is separated from the ballot and destroyed after their signature is checked. An attacker could insert manufactured ballots to be tabulated after this process and there would be no way to know if they are legitimate or not - they’re anonymous now too so you can’t check with the voter and the voter can’t verify their vote.

You can recount the ballots all you want if this attack occurred, because the fake and real ballots would be indistinguishable and unauditable.

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Post by loonster »

failrate wrote: post #80
HenryKissinger wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For a community (HN) so focused on technology and the future, I'm surprised to see support for antiquated technology such as paper ballots. Does the future of voting not belong to online remote voting, like almost everything else? You can even buy a house from your phone now. In the future, we will know the results of the election as soon as the online polls close. The future is paperless.

I disagree with your conclusion. Voting does not need to be made more convenient beyond preventing obvious voter suppression and making election day a federal and/or state holiday. Additionally, a digital compromise of a fully digital system could compromise all votes. If the system has a nondigital artifact it can reference as a source of truth, then it can be validated, verified, and restored to truth.

A federal holiday would be fantastic. The main benefit is not getting more people to vote, but getting more people to watch the polls & counting. The more opportunity that people have to watch, the more faith people will have in the system.

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Post by gilbetron »

throwaway23242 wrote: post #47
CydeWeys wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good thing Dominion voting machines do leave an auditable paper trail, which was hand-audited in all of these disputed states and which verified the electronically-reported results.

what about reports out of michigan that audit trails / logs were missing for election night? https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_m...

False reports based on hearsay.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/12/audit-in-michigan-county-r...

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by walkedaway »

yesdocs wrote: post #8

I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy

Completely agree. Let's hold our politicians accountable.

https://twitter.com/SpeakerPelosi/status/864522009048494080

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2019...

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Post by throwaway23242 »

CydeWeys wrote: post #75
throwaway23242 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

what about reports out of michigan that audit trails / logs were missing for election night? https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_m...

Do you have a link to anything that has been established as true in court? Because that link is pants-on-fire lying: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/dec/04/russell-ja...

oh, cabal fact checkers seem to say this link is garbage (do they though?). i will flog myself and pledge allegiance to the cabal to repent.
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