Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani • Hacker News Board

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by chaganated » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:51 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #48

rpiguyshy wrote: post #14

before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

Dominion voting machines use human-readable printed ballots as a backup auditing mechanism. In all of the disputed states these paper ballots were hand counted (sometimes multiple times) and the original electronically reported results were confirmed. So how are these voting machines complete bullshit exactly? What do you think the mechanism of attack is, and do you have any sources other than just your speculation?

They run on MS Windows, and an assorted pile of shitware a mile deep. Bullshit passed through an HP LaserJet is still bullshit.

And why on earth does a voting machine require OggVorbis?

https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/voting_system/files/...

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by tptacek » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

yalogin wrote: post #19

Unfortunately this is not a good thing for Dominion in the long term. The cult made up lies and successfully convinced a large population its real and the whole party brass is in on the scam. However this is a terrible situation for Dominion. They are forced to sue to prove they are not in the wrong, however that will spun as choosing sides and they could be kicked out when the contract ends. For the cult, this compa…

There is no good thing for Dominion in the long term. They have, in fact, suffered irreparable damage. The lawsuits here are not performative.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by covidthrow » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

CydeWeys wrote: post #48

rpiguyshy wrote: post #14

before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

Dominion voting machines use human-readable printed ballots as a backup auditing mechanism. In all of the disputed states these paper ballots were hand counted (sometimes multiple times) and the original electronically reported results were confirmed. So how are these voting machines complete bullshit exactly? What do you think the mechanism of attack is, and do you have any sources other than just your speculation?

If I give you $100 to put in my bank account, and you print off your own receipt that my $100 made it into the account, what exactly does that prove?

Now let's pretend you don't even give me that receipt, but you just keep it for your own accounting. I later find my $100 isn't in my account. But hey, you have a receipt you printed that says you put it in my account.

If you're honest, this system works. If I can't trust you, then the receipt is meaningless.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by azinman2 » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

NDizzle wrote: post #72

yesdocs wrote: post #8

I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy

What's your response to the activities highlighted in this 1m21s video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNM3K0cH2tc Non transparency. Bullies chasing out witnesses and poll watchers. Why?

There’s absolutely zero context to any of it. That is the opposite of evidence.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by covidthrow » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:52 PM UTC

chaganated wrote: post #91

CydeWeys wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dominion voting machines use human-readable printed ballots as a backup auditing mechanism. In all of the disputed states these paper ballots were hand counted (sometimes multiple times) and the original electronically reported results were confirmed. So how are these voting machines complete bullshit exactly? What do you think the mechanism of attack is, and do you have any sources other than just your speculation?

They run on MS Windows, and an assorted pile of shitware a mile deep. Bullshit passed through an HP LaserJet is still bullshit. And why on earth does a voting machine require OggVorbis? https://www.eac.gov/sites/default/files/voting_system/files/...

Possibly for accessibility features for the blind?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by lovecg » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

HenryKissinger wrote: post #31

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.

For a community (HN) so focused on technology and the future, I'm surprised to see support for antiquated technology such as paper ballots. Does the future of voting not belong to online remote voting, like almost everything else? You can even buy a house from your phone now. In the future, we will know the results of the election as soon as the online polls close. The future is paperless.

With the election process, optics is as important as the actual security. It has to seem simple and secure for most people to accept the results easily. We saw recently that even that does not always work but I have hope it was an aberration. Can you imagine the fallout if everything was done digitally instead, considering the average person’s understanding of crypto and “hackers”?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by r00fus » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

woofcat wrote: post #33

drogorbrn wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not relevant to this topic, TD bank is one of the worst banking institution I have dealt with. Reading about them gives me nightmares.

Odd, I find they're the best. Hold $5k in your chequing account and _everything_ is free! Even got myself a safe deposit box. BMO has something similar but it's $6,000. The rest (last time I checked) didn't really offer something like that.

Honestly, who uses a safe deposit box these days? And what would one use it for?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by tartoran » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

the_local_host wrote: post #67

DonHopkins wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone actually involved in voting machine security research, and not just a fraudulent troll like Rudy Giuliani, welcomes this lawsuit. His unhinged spouting of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories has only harmed and discredited legitimate voting security research.

It'll be a win/win situation if baseless allegations of fraud are punished, and every detail of how voting machines work, including source code, are made public.

I agree but wouldn't making the source code becoming public make the machines more prone to hacking?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by polishTar » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

mbg721 wrote: post #41

yesdocs wrote: post #8

I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy

Dissent is only to be tolerated when it's politically convenient. Come on, man.

Dominion will argue defamation in court which will require them to prove ALL of the following: 1) a false statement purporting to be fact; 2) communication of that statement to a third person; 3) fault amounting to at least negligence; and 4) harm caused to Dominion.

If Dominion can prove those things to the satisfaction of a judge and jury, they should win. Our justice system is supposed to deter people from breaking the law.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 4:53 PM UTC

adictator wrote: post #38

yesdocs wrote: post #8

I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy

How would anyone know they are baseless unless a proper investigation is conducted independently? What about the thousands of sworn affidavits? Surely, ALL of them can't be lying.

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