I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy
Love it when corporations use lawsuits to chill speech
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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani
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#82I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy
Dissent is only to be tolerated when it's politically convenient. Come on, man.
It’s a bit worrying that total lies about a conspiracy between Dominion and (very much dead) Hugo Chavez to rig an election for Joe Biden is what gets classified as “dissent” these days. I’d normally use a different, eight letter word to describe that.
Defamatory statements draw lawsuits. Nothing terribly new or worrying about that.
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#83Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m reminded of an xkcd alt text, “ There are lots of very smart people doing fascinating work on cryptographic voting protocols. We should be funding and encouraging them, and doing all our elections with paper ballots until everyone currently working in that field has retired.” https://xkcd.com/2030/
There are lots of very smart people doing fascinating work on cryptographic voting protocols. We should be funding and encouraging them, and doing all our elections with paper ballots until everyone currently working in that field has retired. It's funny how things change. Just five years ago, HN was awash in people shouting that paper ballots are not secure and everyone should switch to electronic. Now the conventio…
Keeping a password on a Post it is still dangerous.
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#84Earlier quoted context omitted.
As long as potentially hackable voting machines are used in elections, the anxiety about hacking will be there and will eventually be exploited by politicians. If we want to fix the issue, we really just need to move back to hand counting paper ballots.
Hand counting can be manipulated too [0], so the idea that we can just move back to it and save our democracy is not accurate (or at least not a complete solution). In other words, dishonest politicians will find ways to exploit our fears even if we use paper ballots. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02613...
You linked to an abstract of the Russian vote manipulation behind a paywall. That abstract says nothing specifically about hand-count being manipulated.
Hand counting remains the golden standard for voting.
Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani
#85I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy
How would anyone know they are baseless unless a proper investigation is conducted independently? What about the thousands of sworn affidavits? Surely, ALL of them can't be lying.
As much crazy that's happened recently, I can almost believe all of them could be lying. It is "MY TEAM OR YOU SHOULD DIE!" for some of these wackadoodles.
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#86I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy
What's your response to the activities highlighted in this 1m21s video? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNM3K0cH2tc Non transparency. Bullies chasing out witnesses and poll watchers. Why?
I'm sure that if you bring this to court they'll settle any disputes we might have about it.
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#87Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good thing Dominion voting machines do leave an auditable paper trail, which was hand-audited in all of these disputed states and which verified the electronically-reported results.
what about reports out of michigan that audit trails / logs were missing for election night? https://www.depernolaw.com/uploads/2/7/0/2/27029178/antrim_m...
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#88I worked on campaigns for 10 years, I was an elected Hillary Rodham Clinton DNC Delegate and I witnessed real problems that should be of concern of every American. Votes should be cast in person, with identification and counted by hand. If Democracy is sacred we can wait a few days for results we can all trust. The system is clearly breaking down today where 75% of Republicans do not trust the election results and 75…
Can you elaborate on this? I'm very interested, especially given your perspective.
The 2004 election also had its fair share of electronic voting criticism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_United_States_election_vo...
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#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
Won’t baseless accusations of no voter fraud undermine the confidence even more? After all, is there any evidence for voter fraud in Russia?
This is not what is happening. Time and time again the repeated phrase is there is no evidence of _widespread_ voter fraud.
Or "sufficient voter fraud that would change the outcome of an election".
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#90I'm actually really proud of Dominion here. We went from 2016 being totally hacked, and we all know it, and then in 2020 we had the most secure election in history. What a turn around!