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Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

Maybe you have a real opportunity here to offer consultation services to Giuliani. Seriously!

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#62

before donald trump was ever in office, i always believed that these voting machines are complete bullshit. our entire voting system is bullshit. and it would be easy to fix. these machines have been shown to be massively flawed and vulnerable to hacking/tinkering. again, this was my opinion before donald trump was elected.

I was a heavy Slashdot user before the takeover, and now Hacker News fills the hole in my browsing that Slashdot left. If you're like me, you'll remember the many articles about the vulnerability of Diebold voting machines. This has always been a concern, since at least the early '00s or before. I guess people have a very selective amnesia.

Modern machines differ from old ones is a very significant way: they give you a paper ballot that you - the voter - can verify before submitting.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#63
I worked on campaigns for 10 years, I was an elected Hillary Rodham Clinton DNC Delegate and I witnessed real problems that should be of concern of every American.

Votes should be cast in person, with identification and counted by hand.

If Democracy is sacred we can wait a few days for results we can all trust. The system is clearly breaking down today where 75% of Republicans do not trust the election results and 75% of Democrats didn't trust the 2016 election.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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I remember a lot of accusation about Diebold voting back in the 2000s, and concerns about lack of auditability. My understanding is that newer systems now let you vote at a machine, but it spits out a receipt that the voter can verify and the county can hold on to for the sake of audits and recounts. Is this standard now, or on a state by state basis?

My understanding is that newer systems now let you vote at a machine, but it spits out a receipt that the county can hold on to for the sake of audits and recounts.

Not new. I've had paper voting receipts for at least 15 years. Probably longer.

Is this standard now, or on a state by state basis?

There are no voting machine standards. It varies by state, and in some states by county.

Some people see that as a flaw. I see the diversity of voting systems as a security plus. There was even an article in the newspaper shortly after the election stating that certain foreign governments looked into hacking America's voting systems, but it wasn't worth the effort because they were all constructed and implemented differently.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Unfortunately this is not a good thing for Dominion in the long term. The cult made up lies and successfully convinced a large population its real and the whole party brass is in on the scam. However this is a terrible situation for Dominion. They are forced to sue to prove they are not in the wrong, however that will spun as choosing sides and they could be kicked out when the contract ends. For the cult, this compa…

I mean why do you use voting machines anyway? Manual voting is perfectly adequate and much more transparent and understandable.

If this leads to voting machines being pulled then at least something good came out of it?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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I hope whatever happens with these lawsuits it chills the baseless accusations of voter fraud used to undermine voter confidence in our democracy

Dissent is only to be tolerated when it's politically convenient. Come on, man.

What Giuliani was doing wasn't dissent, it wasn't a difference of opinion or anything remotely similar. It was straight up lying. Yes, defamation should be chilled.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#67

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

Anyone actually involved in voting machine security research, and not just a fraudulent troll like Rudy Giuliani, welcomes this lawsuit. His unhinged spouting of unsubstantiated conspiracy theories has only harmed and discredited legitimate voting security research.

It'll be a win/win situation if baseless allegations of fraud are punished, and every detail of how voting machines work, including source code, are made public.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#68

I sincerely hope that whatever happens with these lawsuits doesn't chill the speech of actual voting machine security research.

I’m reminded of an xkcd alt text, “ There are lots of very smart people doing fascinating work on cryptographic voting protocols. We should be funding and encouraging them, and doing all our elections with paper ballots until everyone currently working in that field has retired.” https://xkcd.com/2030/

Except software does control airplanes and elevators..

Subscribing to this kind of "digital bad" dogma is lazy because you don't have to think for yourself.

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

#69

Subject makes it sound like TD bank is suing him

Not relevant to this topic, TD bank is one of the worst banking institution I have dealt with. Reading about them gives me nightmares.

I use TD and have never had a bad experience. Who do you bank with now? What made you switch?

Re: Dominion Voting Systems Sues Rudy Giuliani

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasn’t that the kraken thing that Giuliani wasn’t really involved with?

He wasn't. That was a Sidney Powell thing. I think this 4chan Post describes the Kraken very well: http://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/301180971/#301180971 >This is my contribution to the Trump team's legal case against election fraud. The Kraken was a crowdsourced legal case that they were building with the help of hundreds of volunteer experts, but most of it never got to see the light of day. We were explicitly t…

In case anyone else was about to waste a couple minutes of their life that they will never get back, a quick warning that you will never get the minutes of your life back that you lose paging through this very silly Python notebook, which was very clearly created to snow people who don't know what a Python notebook looks like.
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