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Sales of electric cars up by 43% in 2020

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Re: Sales of electric cars up by 43% in 2020

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Post by dawnerd »

dirkf wrote: post #222
Ma8ee wrote: post #214

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I find that very unlikely if you have any appliances at all. Multiple it by ten and I might start to believe you. For reference, right now we, granted in a four person household and electric heating in the coldest winter month, are using around 100 kWh per day. Even when the house is unoccupied in the summer the consumption is around 3.5 kWh per day. That is probably mostly just a fridge and two freezers.

With a household of 4 and doing everything electrical (cooking, heating, hot water but no electric car) we use on average about 9-10 kWh per day. A bit more in the winter, a bit less in summer. This is a well-insulated, relatively recent house in western Europe. 100kWh seems excessive to me.

And here I thought my ~5 year old house was efficient at 25-30kw per day. Granted I do charge my ev. But my heating and water, water and oven are gas.

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Post by jacquesm »

tomp wrote: post #429
jacquesm wrote: post #254

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If anything I think the pandemic shows that the 'free West' sucks at responding to such threats. We've done miserably compared to Singapore, China and Vietnam.

Personally I'm incredibly happy to have spent the pandemic in Europe rather than totalitarian regimes. And even though I spent my time between Italy, UK and Slovenia, three of the worst-hit countries. But obviously different people have different preferences. I'm also young, fit, healthy programmer, so all-in-all very lucky.

I'm a bit older, was pretty fit & healthy and also a programmer. That didn't matter much to the virus though and I can recommend skipping this one.

Re: Sales of electric cars up by 43% in 2020

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Post by Tade0 »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #402
Tade0 wrote: post #300

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The EV market in Poland is extremely small for a 38mln country, so I believe that by the time it reaches appropriate size the scale will tip in favour of EVs - after all we're bound by EU emissions targets and the associated CO2 market. Brown coal has been declining in Poland faster than anticipated: https://wysokienapiecie.pl/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/polish... It is being replaced by imported hard coal, but that's…

Why does coal have such staying power in Poland? I've heard all about their coal reliance, is it political powers and mining powers who keep it that way? How is air quality and asthma in the country?

In the past it was because we had 400k+ coal miners who were very well organised, so any attempt to touch the coal industry resulted in protests and literal tire fires in Warsaw.

That number went down to 80k by 2020, but they still vote in concert, so any governing party has to tread lightly.

Nowadays it's just that there's a lot of old infrastructure - both power plants and residential heating and noone wants to step up and replace it, because that would mean additional costs - we're a stingy folk.

As a result the coal industry is currently being subsidised to the tune of 9bln PLN (€2bln) annually.

As for air quality: during the winter it's just awful - mostly because of homeowners who burn coal dust and garbage for heating.

I live in Wrocław and bought an air purifier in September, but already had to replace the HEPA filter that was supposed to last a year, because a week of PM2.5 over 200ug/m3 was enough to clog it entirely.

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Post by nkingsy »

olivermarks wrote: post #21
nic-waller wrote: post #19

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It's easier to set up back yard solar panels than a back yard fuel refinery.

'backyard' Solar panels won't recharge an EV

With a charger that goes down to 750w you can charge your ev off grid with an inverter.

I currently do it with 12 100w panels. I run ac/dc converters to supplement additional dc from the grid to charge at 1500w, but have a 750w charger for emergencies that will charge directly from the sun with no grid. It does require a small buffer battery to work reliably.

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Post by tachyonbeam »

cbmuser wrote: post #422
nindalf wrote: post #128

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In general, what you’re saying about growth rates is true. However, there’s reason to believe that electric cars could grow at that pace 1. Regulation by governments. A few states and countries are mandating zero emissions (ie electric) vehicles by 2035. 2. Car manufacturer strategy. Since they know they can’t sell ICE vehicles past 2035 in some jurisdictions, it’s better to make the transition to electric quicker. A…

Electric cars aren’t zero emission when considering the whole life cycle. The cake is a lie!

We'll get there. The fact that not every part of the chain is zero emissions now doesn't mean "welp, there's no point in doing anything about it!".

Re: Sales of electric cars up by 43% in 2020

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Post by dillondoyle »

godmode2019 wrote: post #81

'Global sales' I hope everyone understands in China it is very hard to get a licence plate, the government allows you to get a licence plate if you buy a heavily subsidised electric car. The aim is to stimulate demand to develop an industry. Large cities also banned motorbikes and scooters, with the same aim. This is no way market driven demand, BYD is a very interesting company to look into. It is my understanding t…

why would they ban bikes!? especially in big cities they should learn from the US's horrible choice here. And China seems to have built some great public infrastructure too.

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Post by nicoburns »

bluGill wrote: post #440
nicoburns wrote: post #357

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> We can be diverse, yet share overarching ideals - such as living together peacefully and in solidarity. We can , but increasingly I see people arguing that we should forgoe those and determine our actions in society based on our own individual interest and market mechanisms.

Increasingly I see people argue we should take up a socialist society. Not hard to see why a raise in either of the above would result in the other side getting even more extreme in reaction.

I feel like capitalism vs. socialism is a false dichotomy. We could and should have a society with somewhat equitable outcomes that nevertheless uses market mechanisms to achieve that. It's this cold war attitude of us vs. them which is the problem.

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Post by bluGill »

overscore wrote: post #219
gnicholas wrote: post #134

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Apparently all over? > CPSC also warns consumers that private storage of more than a limited amount of gasoline (usually five gallons or less) is illegal in many areas, and subsequent fire damage may not be covered by insurance policies. from https://www.cpsc.gov/zhT-CN/node/21151

That article (from 1979) indicates that the only legal restriction is that it must be dispensed into an approved container. More recent advice from the API indicates that fire codes usually restrict the storage of more than 25 gallons (~95 L) at home. Many people in rural areas would have orders of magnitude more than that. So it seems that, in the US at least, it's not illegal all over. API Source: https://www.api.o…

Farmers all have their own fuel supply. Mostly diesel, but also gasoline can be in the tanks. The local oil dealer will keep the tanks full.

These tanks are outside, though they could start the building near them on fire if something happened.

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Post by reportingsjr »

dirkf wrote: post #222
Ma8ee wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I find that very unlikely if you have any appliances at all. Multiple it by ten and I might start to believe you. For reference, right now we, granted in a four person household and electric heating in the coldest winter month, are using around 100 kWh per day. Even when the house is unoccupied in the summer the consumption is around 3.5 kWh per day. That is probably mostly just a fridge and two freezers.

With a household of 4 and doing everything electrical (cooking, heating, hot water but no electric car) we use on average about 9-10 kWh per day. A bit more in the winter, a bit less in summer. This is a well-insulated, relatively recent house in western Europe. 100kWh seems excessive to me.

Wow, that's really impressive! I'm jealous!

I live in a just ok, older, 65m^2 (700sq ft) apartment in the midwest US with one other person. Everything is electric except the water heater.

We average about 30kWh/day in winter and summer, and about 15-20kWh/day in the fall and spring.

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