18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

Post by [deleted] » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 12:54 PM UTC

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and yet states that didn't - and aren't - locking down - like Florida - are doing fine. Or better than states that have extensive lockdowns like New York, New Jersey and California... > Political reasons ... aggressive lockdowns in Australia Locking down a small country like Australia is much different than locking down a country like the US. Australia is only 20% smaller than the US yet has 10% of the population. Th…

> Locking down Australia would be like locking down one of our less densely populated states This is very wrong. Australia is very, very dense, where people live : it just has a lot of absolutely uninhabited land . Functionally Australia is almost entirely urban.

Post by xiphias2 » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 1:07 PM UTC

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Why not? Bidding should be time based to provide better incentives for the companies to spend money on factories.

Because the need for massive, acute production capacity for a specific variation of vaccine is short-lived. What's the odds that we're going to have another pandemic in the next 10 years that has nRNA vaccine? There's no need for massive production capacity other than during a global pandemic, and you probably don't know what you need, supply chains etc. until the time of production or thereabouts. So - the money won…

Post by eukaryote » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 1:24 PM UTC

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No evidence that the vaccine stops spread, or even slows it down. It improves outcomes, so hospitals won’t be overloaded. Israel is over 40% on first dose and should have interesting reault sun the next month or two.

This is the new “we have no evidence masks help” or “no evidence of asymptomatic spread”. Name a vaccine that doesn’t reduce onward transmission even as it cures disease. It’s overwhelmingly likely that the vaccine will slow transmission and foolish to throw our priors in the garbage bin. What we don’t know yet is how much onward transmission will be reduced.

Post by crazydoggers » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 1:46 PM UTC

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Your body has two types of immune response, one called an innate immunity, which basically is programmed to attack certain types of pathogens at birth, and another an adaptive or acquired immunity. Vaccines target the adaptive immunity. If we only had an innate immunity, viruses and other pathogens would learn to bypass it by hiding or disguising themselves in various ways. In order to counter this, our bodies consta…

Thank you - this is what I was hoping for! > adaptive vs innate This I did not know - so basically there's a class of pathogens we have protections for at birth, and others we have to learn by exposure. Antigens act as metadata of sorts from which our immune system can use to develop response mechanisms, do these antigens mean "permanent upgrade," in terms of our immune system recognizing it? (Yes, memory cells - coo…

Post by Kim_Bruning » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 1:47 PM UTC

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At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.