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Sales of electric cars up by 43% in 2020

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Re: Sales of electric cars up by 43% in 2020

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Post by gameswithgo »

godmode2019 wrote: post #81

'Global sales' I hope everyone understands in China it is very hard to get a licence plate, the government allows you to get a licence plate if you buy a heavily subsidised electric car. The aim is to stimulate demand to develop an industry. Large cities also banned motorbikes and scooters, with the same aim. This is no way market driven demand, BYD is a very interesting company to look into. It is my understanding t…

It is good that gasoline cars and its fuels receive no subsidy of any kind so that we can be sure their sales are entirely market driven .

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Post by ctdonath »

rakoo wrote: post #209
kstenerud wrote: post #124

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Autocracies are only short-term efficient. Once their initial aims are met, they become terribly inefficient, then corruption sets in, and then they must be forcibly removed. It's good for other nations who can benefit from their trailblazing, but bad for the nation itself because they're basically fucked in the future when the bill comes due. Centralization is long-term the worst kind of governance, inevitably becom…

Call me cynical but climate change, the biggest threat to mankind right is right in front of us. We will also face the biggest threat to what made our civilization and our democracy possible, which is cheap quasi-unlimited access to energy (petrol in our case). Combine both and I don't see democracies as being able to efficiently navigate us out of this combined nightmare to come. As you said, autocracies are efficie…

1°C rise per century.

1 foot ocean rise per century.

Threat?

Re: Sales of electric cars up by 43% in 2020

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Post by kybernetikos »

nicoburns wrote: post #310
kybernetikos wrote: post #263

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> strong collective identity This makes a society weaker - it's effectively a monoculture that restricts the data available to the decision makers. It also reduces a societies ability to innovate in art, culture and eventually technology and science - innovation requires the ability to take an outside view, to be self-critical, and a society that is too busy forging a 'strong collective identity' will make it harder…

> This makes a society weaker I think there's some truth to this. But rampant individualism also makes society weaker. It reduces a societies ability to collaborate.

I probably agree with this, at least to some extent, but if the question is what is the better form of society, I'm not sure how relevant it is.

You can have societies that are very community minded and govern them in a free way and with a democracy. You can try to govern very individualistic societies with an autocracy.

There's probably an optimum level of accepted dissent in a society, depending on what it wants to achieve, and I tend to think that social democracies come the closest to achieving it, and certainly much closer than most autocracies.

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Post by brianwawok »

Multicomp wrote: post #277
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #270

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What does ut cost to replace an engine on a BMW? Thats probably thr closest equivalent

According to this internet anecdote, up to $10,000 or so for parts and labor which is about what I'd expect. https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080401174600A...

Tesla goal is to get battery replacement cost down to 4-7k.

I think right now it’s 13k? So maybe a tad more than a BMW engine but falling fast.

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Post by brianwawok »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #279
sircastor wrote: post #10

I’ll be interested to see the lifespan of EVs for “normal” people. I’ve got a 2012 Nissan LEAF we bought post-lease in 2015. I love it still, and don’t have any plans to replace it. The battery is not in great shape, but it gets me where I need to go. I am genuinely considering replacing the battery rather than buying another EV when the battery finally fails.

I suspect the bottom end of the market is going to disappear. Right now I could buy a car for £1000. It won't be great but it would be good enough to get somebody too and from work and the shops. That won't be feasible when a new battery costs £5000 or more.

New or used? In the US the realistic floor for a new car is 20k. A few smart cars and such for less, but not anything sold seriously.

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Post by brianwawok »

Mauricebranagh wrote: post #287
r00fus wrote: post #60

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An EV inverter for $200 can allow your car to power your refrigerator + router/phone/laptops for many hours (days for a LR Tesla).

Why would you want to stress a very expensive and hard to replace car component - reducing its life. Just put some solar panels on your roof

Night during an outage?

A good generator cost 5k or more. I have a 75 kWh battery sitting in my garage. Bummer the tech isn’t right to reverse the flow. My understanding is Tesla don’t have the right part to reverse the AC flow.

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Post by reddotX »

angmarsbane wrote: post #17

One thing I keep getting tripped up on with EV cars is the usability during an emergency. I grew up in SoCal when there were rolling black-outs. Just this week, a windstorm took out my parent’s power for 3 days. I don’t view electricity to be as reliable as gas. What fact am I missing that can change my view on this?

solar panels

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Post by bob33212 »

nindalf wrote: post #128
ido wrote: post #98

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That would be great but high % growth from a small base doesn't imply the same growth rate will continue once it reaches higher levels (see for example how undeveloped economies grow faster until they become developed, at which point growth slows down: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergence_(economics) )

In general, what you’re saying about growth rates is true. However, there’s reason to believe that electric cars could grow at that pace 1. Regulation by governments. A few states and countries are mandating zero emissions (ie electric) vehicles by 2035. 2. Car manufacturer strategy. Since they know they can’t sell ICE vehicles past 2035 in some jurisdictions, it’s better to make the transition to electric quicker. A…

Also autonomy. Also VTG cost savings

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Post by brianwawok »

ratsforhorses wrote: post #237
socialdemocrat wrote: post #195

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Being a homeowner does not mean you live in single family house. Yes, I own my home in Oslo but I live in an apartment. We have shared garage areas which is indeed common in Norway even for people with single family homes. Garages are often clustered in Norway to keep neighborhoods car free. We also have problems all across Norway with electrical capacity not being enough to install chargers in these garages. So upgr…

Why not get petrol stations to install chargers? They have vacuum cleaners, wash areas, restaurants...seems a necessary evolution...

You really want to charge where you park. Day to day you want to l2 charge your EV. Which is like a 4-12 hour process. Most people without at home charging that relay on 100% supercharging a) aren’t happy about their car and b) are toasting the battery.

Simple charging plugs at work though are a solid solution. Can get your charge in while you work.

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