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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by dnautics »

nradov wrote: post #150
SamBam wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the poster above you was talking about the chances of death from the virus, not simply the chance of infection. I think it's pretty well established at this point that the case fatality index for children is vastly lower than for older adults, about 0.1% for people under age 29. [1] 1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7518649/

The actual best estimate of infection fatality rate for people under age 29 is way less than 0.1%. 0-19 years: 0.003% 20-49 years: 0.02% https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/hcp/planning-scena...

And that's counting people who have bothered to get tested. If younger people are getting asymptomatic or minor symptom covid that looks like a cold, then the "true" ifr will be even lower

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Post by tayo42 »

kfrzcode wrote: post #9

Can someone help me understand the difference between this and other vaccines? From what I know, the COVID-19 vaccine is only effective in reducing symptoms for those who get inoculated. Is it accurate to say this vaccine does not prevent infection or help develop an immunity? I just do not understand how vaccines work. Would love a (peer-reviewed) source or sources I could read to brush up. This is not a political o…

These covid posts on hn are some of the most hostile threads I've seen on the internet. Between the intense emotions, conspiracy theories where people thinks they're constantly under attack, and various frustrations. Just don't take it personal. Or honestly dont bother with covid threads on this site. I'd treat them as read only and get your info elsewhere

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by midasuni »

ThrustVectoring wrote: post #244
midasuni wrote: post #238

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No evidence that the vaccine stops spread, or even slows it down. It improves outcomes, so hospitals won’t be overloaded. Israel is over 40% on first dose and should have interesting reault sun the next month or two.

No evidence that it doesn't , either. It's simply hard to get this evidence and irrelevant for getting vaccines approved, so nobody has bothered. And it'd be really odd if it didn't help wrt infection rate.

Irellevent for getting it approved, not irellevent for herd immunity purposes

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Post by burnthrow »

xyst wrote: post #228
umvi wrote: post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

Personally, I am probably going to keep wearing a mask in public for privacy reasons.

Oh please, your behavior will depend on what's socially acceptable at the time and you know it.

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Post by dkersten »

DenisM wrote: post #146
guscost wrote: post #113

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I’m not sure how much of it is fear of the MRNA vaccine itself, and how much is an objection to the creepy fascist context. Probably a lot of both, and maybe yes a bit too much of the former. But in any case their reply is, “We would rather take the risk.” If they get sick and die like your grandma (condolences), they will have done so at least partially by choice, a choice which they have damn well earned by their m…

Have you considered relocating them to New Zealand? No COVID, no masks, no need for a vaccine. I’m not sure about government overreach in other parts of life though.

You cannot currently relocate to New Zealand as they have put all visa applications on hold due to the pandemic.

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Post by pelasaco »

WA wrote: post #277
anovikov wrote: post #276

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I believe in the end of the day, it will be directly or indirectly forced. Like, people who were not vaccinated will be fined, or later, detained if they are caught leaving their homes. I just see no other way around it, or pandemic never stops in most countries.

Not sure where you're from, but most Western countries have no legal basis to detain people leaving their homes just because they're not vaccinated. There might be some restrictions like air travel though.

even though I agree with you, The government has no business in saying who and how many people I invite to my home, or either who i meet in the Park. And here we are.

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Post by chrisco255 »

corin_ wrote: post #259
chrisco255 wrote: post #245

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I don't infect and kill anything. I'm not a virus. What kind of demented logic is that? My uncle got the vaccine, and then a week later his family comes down with Covid, including him. They did fine, but it's not a guaranteed thing. This particular vaccine isn't even a vaccine in the traditional sense, where they give you an inhibited version of the virus and let your immune system work on it. It's an mRNA cellular p…

The fact that it's mRNA isn't really relevant to how your body fights the virus, it's still the same mechanism. The traditional way (as used by the Oxford/Astrazenica covid vaccine, and others) is to show the body what the virus looks like by giving it non-harmful bits of protein that look like the bit of the virus the immune system will need to recognise. The mRNA ones (like Pfizer's or Moderna's) use mRNA code to t…

You might be right, I'm sure they have been studying them in the lab for years. But having already seen someone suffer from Bell's palsy as a direct result of the vaccine, I don't need that risk. Especially since people in my family who are genetically similar to me and of similar overall health have already contracted Covid and never got worse than a typical flu for any of them, and for several of them they never even got ill. Coupling that with the knowledge that for my age and demographic profile, I'm at no statistically significant risk, I choose to risk exposure to the virus without the mRNA vaccine. That's how it has to be.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by pelasaco »

swarnie_ wrote: post #272
pelasaco wrote: post #271

Great news, 5% of the population already. That shows me how my home country - Germany, which was once saw as example on the fight against COVID-19 - still far behind. We only vaccinated 1.8% of our population. I wonder if the credits of a good rollout and access to such amount of vaccine will be given to the Trump administration as it should be?

1.8% is pretty good compared to the rest of the EU right? I'm still not sure why a lot of countries started so late or so slowly. Still, like a lot of things, the last 20% is magnitudes harder then the first 20%. Finishing vaccination programs will come down to how well each government can educate their populist. I fear this is where America will fall down.

Populism x Virtue Signal is the ideology battle from the century. The populists believe in the chip implant and the "Virtue signalist" believe that to focus on the "Elderly" is the only right thing to do. In the middle are we, 99% of the population, in home arrest.

IMO 1.8% is bad for a region that are responsible for the technology/production and distribution. Maybe it reflects how less influential EU became in the World geopolitics?

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Post by anovikov »

WA wrote: post #277
anovikov wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe in the end of the day, it will be directly or indirectly forced. Like, people who were not vaccinated will be fined, or later, detained if they are caught leaving their homes. I just see no other way around it, or pandemic never stops in most countries.

Not sure where you're from, but most Western countries have no legal basis to detain people leaving their homes just because they're not vaccinated. There might be some restrictions like air travel though.

there will be a point where these concerns will have to be thrown out of the window. or the epidemic will just be endless.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Post by corin_ »

chrisco255 wrote: post #287
corin_ wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that it's mRNA isn't really relevant to how your body fights the virus, it's still the same mechanism. The traditional way (as used by the Oxford/Astrazenica covid vaccine, and others) is to show the body what the virus looks like by giving it non-harmful bits of protein that look like the bit of the virus the immune system will need to recognise. The mRNA ones (like Pfizer's or Moderna's) use mRNA code to t…

You might be right, I'm sure they have been studying them in the lab for years. But having already seen someone suffer from Bell's palsy as a direct result of the vaccine, I don't need that risk. Especially since people in my family who are genetically similar to me and of similar overall health have already contracted Covid and never got worse than a typical flu for any of them, and for several of them they never ev…

Very sorry to hear about the person you know with Bell's Palsy, I wish them well and with some luck hopefully they'll recover from it and get back to normal.

However, there is not yet any evidence I've seen that the vaccine can cause Bell's Palsy. There's not conclusive evidence it can't, but the FDA says: "The observed frequency of reported Bell’s palsy in the vaccine group is consistent with the expected background rate in the general population."

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/covid-vaccine-bells-palsy/

(Please do correct me if I'm out of date and there's anything showing statistical significance, but I don't see anything new from a quick Google.)

When you vaccinate a lot of people, some of them will develop medical problems that would have developed regardless of the vaccine. It's not impossible you will be proven right once there is more data, but until then it is spreading misinformation to say that the vaccine did cause the problem.

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