Waymo CEO dismisses Tesla self-driving plan: “This is not how it works”

Post by naebother » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 5:19 AM UTC

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I think the FSD beta rollout is completely irresponsible from Tesla. Rolling out a clearly half-baked safety critical technology to its customers (yes, I know it's only a few beta testers) who are untrained is nothing but a tactic to generate hype and get more customers to buy that $10k FSD package. This is on top of Tesla being the least transparent company out there in reporting safety data or their testing methodo…

FSD rollout is purely driven by Elon’s ego. He’s addicted to fame and power, and that comes from image he created of himself being an Iron Man. I’m pretty sure he got to a point where he believes in it, and thinks he’s invincible and can solve any problem, because he’s so much smarter than everyone. Stock bubble making wealthiest man only helped to solidify that.

Post by lazyasciiart » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 5:21 AM UTC

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> Tesla's embedded developers did not understand the extremely simple concept of write endurance Equally likely is that they do understand but just don't care. From all accounts, Tesla seems to have a culture of move fast and break things.

Hmm I don't want to defend Tesla, but I do want to push back on this a bit! Facebook made "move fast and break things" famous, which was Zuckerberg's way of presenting a tradeoff. Everyone company says they want to move fast, but Zuckerberg made it clear that the company should care more about velocity than stability. I don't believe that's Tesla's attitude. Rather, I think their attitude is more "move fast and ignor…

Post by plutonorm » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 5:23 AM UTC

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Humans, surprisingly, don’t have LiDar, yet they can drive.

Humans have general intelligence and understand what their eyes are perceiving at a far deeper level than any CV system.

Post by mhh__ » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 5:24 AM UTC

Judgmentality wrote: post #107

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I don't know, I don't get that feeling. What makes you think that? I don't know much about Elon, but I listened to one of his interviews with Rogan, and he struck me as extremely optimistic, but also grounded and not arrogant. (I do agree partial-self-driving just seems like a terrible idea. I guess crash stats can reveal if this is true or not, but are perhaps not available.)

Elon will get into some pretty bizarre bouts on twitter. I realize this is common for celebrities, but that whole "diver is a pedophile" thing was truly wtf. https://www.wired.com/story/elon-musk-pedo-guy-doesnt-mean-p...

Post by unwoundmouse » Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 5:25 AM UTC

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I say we do $1,000, but what did you have in mind? We will have to put the bets in escrow We need to agree to what constitutes full level 5 self driving. My interpretation of it is a car that can drive itself anywhere in the world, has been approved for commercial use in at least one country, AND recognized as the first to full self driving in at least 2 major publications. We can put a 5 year time limit on the bet.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, it sounds like you (sixQuarks) and the parent (vegannet) want the same side of the bet :-) ie you're both betting that Tesla won't achieve FSD L5 in 5 years.