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Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

I believe we can add the vaccinated and the recovered, yes? About 25 million have recovered so far. That puts us at about 12% 'immune'.

I think it is much higher, if you consider all the asymptomatic cases not counted.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Does anyone know where I can find how many doses have been distributed to each state and how many are stockpiled federally or by the manufacturers? That’s the info I really can’t seem to find and it would be really interesting to see. Also would love to see production numbers day by day if possible. The simplistic estimates I keep seeing on places like CNN basically just take the current daily vaccination rate and us…

This is a pretty good resource: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

#73
post #3

At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

That will depend heavily on what state you are in. Dining in is fully open in some states with only masks on entry/exit. Mask usage in some areas is vastly different than others.

Its likely that a some places will heavily ease restrictions as soon as next month.

Will that be too early? Depends.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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post #29

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Children are almost immune from the virus. Everyone below 40 is also extremely extremely unlikely to die from the virus, just to a lesser extent.

No one will pay the political price of causing infections among children by reopening rapidly. And I'd like to believe that as a society, we are cautious about letting children be infected with a novel disease whose long-term effects are unknown.

I’m not sure your reading of the political climate is accurate. A lot of places have already reopened schools, and I’ve heard a lot of politicians explicitly say that they’re willing to pay the price because it’s not a big deal if kids get it. Maybe they’re wrong, but if you expect that there’ll be public support behind keeping things closed when the death and hospitalization rates start plummeting, I think you’d better readjust.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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post #72

Does anyone know where I can find how many doses have been distributed to each state and how many are stockpiled federally or by the manufacturers? That’s the info I really can’t seem to find and it would be really interesting to see. Also would love to see production numbers day by day if possible. The simplistic estimates I keep seeing on places like CNN basically just take the current daily vaccination rate and us…

This is a pretty good resource: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-glo...

Exactly what I've been looking for, thank you!

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Children are almost immune from the virus. Everyone below 40 is also extremely extremely unlikely to die from the virus, just to a lesser extent.

You might want to update. There were two studies out of Europe last week stating that children are just as likely to get the virus as adults.

I think the poster above you was talking about the chances of death from the virus, not simply the chance of infection.

I think it's pretty well established at this point that the case fatality index for children is vastly lower than for older adults, about 0.1% for people under age 29. [1]

1. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7518649/

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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No one is quite sure but we're a LONG way from it.. and that's without addressing the fear/trauma that's been inflicted on otherwise healthy+exceptionally low risk people. From a month ago: Dr. Anthony Fauci now says as much as 90 percent of the population may need to get vaccinated or infected to achieve herd immunity against COVID-19 — admitting in a new interview that he has been intentionally raising the bar base…

> on what he thinks the country is ready to hear He does have a track record of being dishonest about things. Part of the reason he drug his feet on masks was he was worried about shortages. It makes sense, but I really don't like the "I know what's best for you" paternalism.

That's how you know he's a physician and not a politician. https://www.cnbc.com/2020/11/12/fauci-says-us-has-independen...

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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> * Herd immunity numbers assume no ongoing vaccination -- they more or less say, "If life went back to normal, would the virus slow down or speed up?" I'd say ongoing vaccination (after herd immunity is reached) is irrelevant to the herd immunity calculation. Is that what you meant? Though we'd obviously still need vaccinations as much of the world will not have herd immunity for a long time, if ever. And certainly…

> ongoing vaccination (after herd immunity is reached) is irrelevant to the herd immunity calculation. Is that what you meant? Though we'd obviously still need vaccinations

Yeah, exactly. Depending on other model factors (like ongoing vaccinations, relative mortalities, economic costs etc) the best time (and degree) to open up may be earlier or later than the technical herd immunity point.

To make an unfair argument: is 65% vaccination the end of WFH, or just when we should open up outdoor dining? If we vaccinate the youngest 65%, clearly we'd have different restrictions than if we'd vaccinated the eldest 65%. Etc.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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According to this yahoo article about 65 - 70% of the population needs to be vaccinated until we can get back to normal. That said there still may be mutations or other complicating factors that could throw a wrench in things. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/around-65-75-of-the-populatio...

Immunized, not vaccinated. In particular, patients who have recovered from COVID-19 are (mostly) immune and count towards "herd immunity". (Obviously vaccination is by far the preferable of those two options!)

You’re not wrong, but the right people cannot profit or accumulate power via the spread of natural immunity, and not at all coincidentally it is unpopular to mention.

“But the risk is far too great not to pay trillions and surrender our freedom,” retorts a frightened chorus of people.

Re: 18.7 Million Americans Vaccinated

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At what number can we stop wearing masks, stop social distancing, start dining in, etc.? That's the number I care about. Because until somebody influential picks that number, we'll just keep masking and social distancing until the end of time.

It depends on who gets vaccinated. For example, Israel focused first on the 20% of the population (largely elderly) who drive 95% of deaths.
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