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The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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If you stare at clouds, you might see patterns in them. That doesn't mean that's the governing principle behind their formation.

The human capability for pattern recognition is still beautiful and amazing to me — and hey, you can still find interesting models that have some value from them, even if you won’t elucidate the root cause.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #131
post #18

If you stare at clouds, you might see patterns in them. That doesn't mean that's the governing principle behind their formation.

The human capability for pattern recognition is still beautiful and amazing to me — and hey, you can still find interesting models that have some value from them, even if you won’t elucidate the root cause.

I disagree completely, at least in this context. If the model doesn't explain the variance, maybe it isn't a good model to use. If you're making art or some other creative endeavor, then yeah, fantastic. If you're trying to show us how the world works, nope.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #8

Meh.... This has a real "I'm 14 and this is deep" vibe. Like a teenager who thinks their dad is a loser, and that the real men are the guys at the bottom in tough blue collar jobs, or at the top in power suits being Wolves of Wall Street. Insights like this can be fun, but they're for the third beer with your buddies, not for writing down.

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Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #50
post #8

Meh.... This has a real "I'm 14 and this is deep" vibe. Like a teenager who thinks their dad is a loser, and that the real men are the guys at the bottom in tough blue collar jobs, or at the top in power suits being Wolves of Wall Street. Insights like this can be fun, but they're for the third beer with your buddies, not for writing down.

Pretty ironic take given that the site you're writing the comment on was founded by pg writing a bunch of essays breaking the world down into "nerds" vs "jocks" with VCs being "high school girls". pg decided to write those down rather than share them over a third beer and it seems to have spawned a bunch of billion dollar companies. The author refers to michael o church who had much clearer takes on the subject, not-…

Dang tells me that calling a company "morally bankrupt" is not allowed on HN. I got flagged for doing so.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #15
post #8

Meh.... This has a real "I'm 14 and this is deep" vibe. Like a teenager who thinks their dad is a loser, and that the real men are the guys at the bottom in tough blue collar jobs, or at the top in power suits being Wolves of Wall Street. Insights like this can be fun, but they're for the third beer with your buddies, not for writing down.

Very correct Michael Scott.

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Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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I just read both this and the Michael Church article it links to. I think they are arguing the opposite in many ways. Eg Alex Danck calls the gentry ladder clueless, while Michael Church says they will lead us to the future. It’s hard to see how they are both right.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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This was an interesting take but I'm a little disappointed that the author didn't take the language idea further. As in, in this author's conception of class based language, what's an example of "straight talk"? How do the elites "babytalk" to the Michael Scott-gentry middle class? Most interestingly, what would "powertalk" be in this conception of class? Would it be raw datasets and financial spreadsheets? Because t…

Babytalk from the Elites to the Middle Class would be something like the all staff meetings for Penguin staff complaining that Penguin Canada is publishing another Jordan Peterson book or Politico staff complaining that Ben Shapiro was invited to write an entry in their outside opinion section. Or potentially some of the corporate higher up talking up social responsibility actions that are at best token. I'm more int…

Good point about corporate-speak as elite-to-middle babytalk.

I would hazard a guess that the closest thing to straight talk is at the possible inception of a union. Not after the union is formed and established - I don't think there's a lot of straight talk between UAW and GM nowadays - but if someone like Musk is afraid the gigafactory workers are banding together, he might be forced to talk to them directly. Unfortunately, I don't think this "real talk" is ever recorded or broadcast.

The most stark example I can think of is when Emperor Hirohito informed the Japanese citizens of the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki[1], but funny enough that is mostly known for how confusing it was for the average Japanses citizen to understand what was going on.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewel_Voice_Broadcast

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