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The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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So much writing for just stating the "Peter Principal." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_principle

And not one mention of it in that entire substack either, though few others mentioned it on here before me. :) That's good.

I always enjoy discovering something backwards, e.g. through experience and then learn it's already documented.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

#112
The part about the upper middle class (myself included) being detached from reality is spot on.

You have no need to worry about money other than the desire to upgrade status symbols. You have no real power or path to power, so you don’t understand that either. You’re floating blissfully in the middle reading about mushroom foraging while the poor get poorer and the elite siphon even more wealth and power.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #86

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It doesn't mean "Just NYT opinion writers". It means all the people who think they're leading culture around on a leash by pushing their articles in The New Yorker , The Atlantic , Mother Jones etc. and so forth. And that very much is a social class, or more accurately, its a specific subset of a social class. Another subset of the same social class are book editors at the major publishing houses. Look around on Link…

What is the implications of 1/4 female or liberal arts college?

A very confused sexism.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

#114

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The thing about the Peter Principle is how do you know which is the "last promotion" that you should turn down? No one should turn down the first promotion (from "fresh into the workforce" to "basically competent developer" [or journeyman welder/electrician/plumber or whatever the equivalent is for your field]). After that it gets murky because everyone has their own abilities and willingness to do what it takes to c…

I think we just need to make it more acceptable in corporate culture to go, "hey, I'm no longer growing or thriving in this role, perhaps I should return to my old one", preferably without receiving a pay cut.

Seems to me like you should be paid for the job you’re now doing, rather than the one you’re not doing.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #8

Meh.... This has a real "I'm 14 and this is deep" vibe. Like a teenager who thinks their dad is a loser, and that the real men are the guys at the bottom in tough blue collar jobs, or at the top in power suits being Wolves of Wall Street. Insights like this can be fun, but they're for the third beer with your buddies, not for writing down.

Unfortunately, some people seem to have missed this point and fail to see the humour behind the article.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #8

Meh.... This has a real "I'm 14 and this is deep" vibe. Like a teenager who thinks their dad is a loser, and that the real men are the guys at the bottom in tough blue collar jobs, or at the top in power suits being Wolves of Wall Street. Insights like this can be fun, but they're for the third beer with your buddies, not for writing down.

I've never watched the show, but I have to admit I'm a bit bemused by the number of times I've come across people saying they've got [professional] life figured out by realizing it's actually exactly like The Office , which coincidentally, is their favorite show. As I said, I haven't watched the show so I can't really appraise the claims properly, but it seems suspect to me. (Incidentally I noticed a similar tendency…

Unrelated observation: "just do the opposite of what Michael Scott would do" is actually pretty decent management advice, and probably better training than 80% of what new managers are taught (which is usually nothing more than "here is what you need to do to not get us sued").

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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I've never watched the show, but I have to admit I'm a bit bemused by the number of times I've come across people saying they've got [professional] life figured out by realizing it's actually exactly like The Office , which coincidentally, is their favorite show. As I said, I haven't watched the show so I can't really appraise the claims properly, but it seems suspect to me. (Incidentally I noticed a similar tendency…

Parks and Rec is basically a documentary about working in government (with all the shenanigans happening on an accelerated timeline). The office is basically a documentary about white collar work places, once again, with all the shenanigans happening more rapidly. I don't know any city cops so I can't speak to the accuracy of Brooklyn Nine Nine.

Good observations and for those who want to dig deeper look up the works of Nobel + Turing award winner Herbert Simon - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_A._Simon

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #50

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Pretty ironic take given that the site you're writing the comment on was founded by pg writing a bunch of essays breaking the world down into "nerds" vs "jocks" with VCs being "high school girls". pg decided to write those down rather than share them over a third beer and it seems to have spawned a bunch of billion dollar companies. The author refers to michael o church who had much clearer takes on the subject, not-…

Just because PG/YC has success doesn't mean that a lot of those posts aren't "third beer" observations. PG's essays didn't start the companies, and they're fair-game for criticism IMO.

exactly. PG isnt a god nor a role model; You should seek within for your own sense of inspiration.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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post #32

I found myself mildly nodding along to this waiting for the moment of clarity where he describes more fully the elite ladder but he doesn't and so I have no idea how to contrast this middle tier with the upper tier to see distinctions. What's an example of the Elite behaviors/language? How would I know Powertalk when I see it? What would an Elite do/have to show their true status? I definitely accept that I'm not an…

The middle class are just workers, who are paid more. The preformative aspects come from competition with their peers.

It's why white collar workers are so bent on doing public speaking things, TED Talks etc.. It's hard to be a VP you have to somehow get everyone else to think you're 'that much better' than the workers.

Watch the news: almost every contributor is making a performance.

Trump's the 'Apprentice' is a giant bit of performance, nothing to do with reality.

The elite use leverage. Think of them as VCs. They don't 'work' like we do, they negotiate hard deals with workers and try to grab all the surpluses.

It's really just a basic take on working/middle class + capital class.

Re: The Michael Scott Theory of Social Class

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It's a common form of pseudo-analysis that you'll find in a lot of "high brow" YouTube videos these days with titles like "[Movie/Show Name], a masterclass in [esoteric intellectual-sounding term]". Chock full of non sequiturs and logorrhea, sounding vaguely intelligent but having almost no meaningful content whatsoever.

Maybe you just didn't get it? How far did you make it through the article before you decided it was invalid? As someone on the spectrum, this actually expanded on some of my own observations. For a large portion of society, much of what they do and say is driven by posturing. This posturing is driven by insecurity. It is especially predominant in the upper-middle class. Spock said it best, humans are highly illogical…

Yeah, I think I'd have reacted pretty defensively / pooh-pooh if I hadn't transitioned out of an academic career into trying to start a business.

Instead, I'm just left wondering which ladder I'm actually climbing at the moment (in this model).

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