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Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Post by markc »

carlmr wrote: post #72
markc wrote: post #70

I wake up after about 4.5 hours of sleep "no matter what". Bedtime of 10pm or 2am, exercise or no, light exposure or no, late eating or no - always the same result. Then I'm awake for a few hours, then get my "second sleep" of 1 to 2 hours. I've been going like this for a decade without daytime sleepiness (a few oz of coffee and I'm charged up for the day), but these kinds of articles really worry me. I have light sl…

You probably have a very natural sleep rhythm. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sleepless-in-america...

Good read, really interesting. Thanks!

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Post by markc »

porcc wrote: post #71
markc wrote: post #70

I wake up after about 4.5 hours of sleep "no matter what". Bedtime of 10pm or 2am, exercise or no, light exposure or no, late eating or no - always the same result. Then I'm awake for a few hours, then get my "second sleep" of 1 to 2 hours. I've been going like this for a decade without daytime sleepiness (a few oz of coffee and I'm charged up for the day), but these kinds of articles really worry me. I have light sl…

This seems perfectly healthy: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biphasic_and_polyphasic_sleep

I had not heard of this. Reading now - thanks!

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Post by markc »

loceng wrote: post #73
markc wrote: post #70

I wake up after about 4.5 hours of sleep "no matter what". Bedtime of 10pm or 2am, exercise or no, light exposure or no, late eating or no - always the same result. Then I'm awake for a few hours, then get my "second sleep" of 1 to 2 hours. I've been going like this for a decade without daytime sleepiness (a few oz of coffee and I'm charged up for the day), but these kinds of articles really worry me. I have light sl…

If you're overweight at all, even by a little, losing that weight that greatly impact your sleep and health overall. Also if you eat any inflammatory foods - sugar, carbohydrates, dairy, etc - then that inflammation can cause issues with sleep, especially for brain related inflammation, sleep time when brain channels are meant to open up to clear waste; inflammation is linked to Alzheimer's now because of this proces…

Skinny guy, no obvious source of airway obstruction. Maybe that's why the cpap doesn't work. I think I literally hold my breath (some variant of so-called "central" apnea?) and foil the cpap that way.

I'll consider the inflammation stuff. I've been trying to cut out down on sugar anyway.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Post by Tade0 »

Whenever I'm showing symptoms of sleep deprivation my SO, who at a certain point in her life spent a few weeks helping a young man regain basic communication skills after a stroke, asks me if I'm having one at the moment.

One sign, which I observed in a few other sleep-deprived people as well, is the inability to form a coherent sentence - or even say a single word sometimes.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Post by Balgair »

markc wrote: post #80
Balgair wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try cutting the caffeine intake and see if that helps?

It's literally at 3oz a day though, so "cutting" would effectively be zero. Maybe I could try decaf since I seem to need a bit of coffee for, ahem, regularity.

Yeah, that's pretty small as is.

Anecdata: I cut out all caffeine during quarantine and I've never slept better. But I was drinking ~12oz a day prior to that. And I also cut out all the other drugs in my life too. And the commute due to WFH. Honestly, trying to say it was one thing that made my sleep better isn't really possible, it's all entangled. But the SO says that caffeine was the major culprit.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Post by markc »

sandstrom wrote: post #79
loceng wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're overweight at all, even by a little, losing that weight that greatly impact your sleep and health overall. Also if you eat any inflammatory foods - sugar, carbohydrates, dairy, etc - then that inflammation can cause issues with sleep, especially for brain related inflammation, sleep time when brain channels are meant to open up to clear waste; inflammation is linked to Alzheimer's now because of this proces…

The science behind "inflammatory foods" is pretty shaky: https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-messy-facts-a... https://www.acsh.org/news/2019/05/05/closer-look-anti-inflam...

Interesting. I've been interested in anti-inflammation unrelated to the sleep stuff. Sad if there's not much to it, since it seemed like a hopeful no-drugs way of improving health.

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Post by dageshi »

andreygrehov wrote: post #78
koheripbal wrote: post #16

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During a very difficult time in my life recently, I found it impossible to sleep. I would have stress nightmares and even when i did fall asleep, I would soon wake myself up with specific scenarios my mind was trying to work out. I was incapacitated by this, which exacerbated my situation. I eventually noticed that I could fall asleep if I sat with my daughters while they watched TV. This evolved to me falling asleep…

I wonder if taking melatonin supplements for a week or two could resolve your issue. A very small dose (0.3 mg) of melatonin is usually sufficient to restore nighttime plasma melatonin levels to those characteristic of young people.

Having suffered recently from randomly waking up in the middle of the night and not being able to get to sleep again I found 2mg time release melatonin the way to go. If you do wake up it's much much easier to fall back to sleep again.

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Post by e40 »

markc wrote: post #70

I wake up after about 4.5 hours of sleep "no matter what". Bedtime of 10pm or 2am, exercise or no, light exposure or no, late eating or no - always the same result. Then I'm awake for a few hours, then get my "second sleep" of 1 to 2 hours. I've been going like this for a decade without daytime sleepiness (a few oz of coffee and I'm charged up for the day), but these kinds of articles really worry me. I have light sl…

Dude, this is exactly me. Same age. 4.5 hours. Read for a while. 1-2 hours more.

Just this morning, I think I finally diagnosed my central sleep apnea. I was laying there and just as I fell asleep I started awake because I wasn't breathing. My diary has notes about this happening all the way back to last March. This happened to me after my first sleep.

To add to that, I've become hyper-sensitive to caffeine. It causes palpitations (started in late 2019).

I don't snore, but I have been using Breathe Right strips to make sure I have adequate air flow, and so I'm really sure I don't snore. Curiously, I haven't used them for a couple of weeks (long story).

EDIT: if you want to contact me, my info is in my profile

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Post by pedalpete »

amirs wrote: post #18
waihtis wrote: post #10

I had great success picking up a consistent meditation habit with the greasing the groove-approach[1].. in essence, every time I would feel a bit foggy in the head, I would take a 3-15 minute meditation session. It usually results to 3-5 sessions per day. It's such a great mental reset, and I haven't since experienced the kind of complete depletion that you get from pushing yourself hard through the day. I bet some Z…

Highly doubt any Zen master would reprimand you. Any habit you want to keep needs to be sustainable, if it doesn't fit the way your life works, you probably won't keep it. They would however most likely encourage you to challenge yourself from time to time when possible to see if you can get comfortable doing a longer session once in a while.

Seriously... a zen master who reprimands doesn't sound very zen. :)

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Post by kzrdude »

graeme wrote: post #33
kzrdude wrote: post #17

Anyone have tips for managing sleep in the winter months? It seems like I can stay up forever (until 02-04) and don't get so tired. I need to be in bed by 23 actually.

I had this, now much improved: * have an early dinner. I eat at 4 or 5 pm. This is extreme, but earlier will probably help if possible. No snacks after dinner * Get light exposure as early as possible after waking. A morning walk is good * Exercise close to waking. In practice I do a 7 min workout, eat and walk * blue light blocking glasses help * A sleep mask can help. I use a manta mask + their glasses. I don’t act…

> Decide to get ready for bed even if you’re not sleepy.

Thank you for reminding me of this.

Two years ago I had a sleeping revolution and I had success with a barrage of efforts I did, most notably giving up caffeine and having this routine, and ensuring 100% darkness. But I have to recognize that I lost the routine now.

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