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Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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This mirrors what I experienced when I went through a severe burnout 2 years ago. I had some health issues like sleep apnea and digestive problems converge before I knew about them, so even though I was working out heavily 5 times per week, I was fat and unhealthy and had lost my resilience.

My work put us on call at night 1 week out of 3 to monitor an ailing server and my productivity fell precipitously almost immediately. That was the last straw, so even though I thought I had the discipline to handle it, my body thought otherwise and I started crashing (falling asleep at my desk, having so much brain fog that I struggled with basic chores, etc). I miss that job often, but the writing was on the wall at least a year before that when I noticed that nobody listened to my expertise, they just wanted output. That's the surest route to burnout that I know of so far.

I did have a lot of concussions in elementary school, but all I remember is the nausea and laying in bed for days. Severe burnout/depression feels similar in that one loses their executive function. To me, burnout felt like what I imagine having a stroke might feel like. My problem-solving faculties shut down, so it was like my mental muscle memory of everything I had learned was no longer there so I was consciously aware of every single step I had to perform (which left me frequently overwhelmed). It also felt like maybe the left and right sides of my brain weren't talking. When I thought about doing any task at all, no matter how minor, I felt low grade pain over my entire body like the feeling you get as you walk slowly into a cold body of water. Where there used to be excitement at the anticipation of doing things I enjoyed, there was now only a void of apprehension and dread. Everything felt like work, even recreation.

I had to start from the beginning and relearn how to write todo lists, journal about what I wanted out of life, address all of the physical issues I could, etc etc etc. The self-help stuff is all true. The only part they are missing is that IMHO as much as 80% of our mood is derived from physical sources. The science of vegetarianism isn't quite there yet. So for example, I was eating more beans (legumes) and nightshades each day than most people probably eat all week. The anti-nutrients had lowered my absorption of iron, zinc and I'm pretty sure iodine, not to mention that I wasn't taking enough of the basics like B vitamins. Each time I reintroduced traditional foods like bacon, I received outsized returns because of things like tryptophan turning into serotonin. Nutrition is huge.

Anyway, when it's all said and done, the best treatment for me was to slow down and emphasize things like how priceless consciousness is (dignity), and deemphasize artificial human constructs like worth/productivity (materialism). Also I learned that habits take about 2 weeks to form, so it was helpful to list 1 or 2 things I was struggling with, then perform them manually and dispassionately until the habit stuck. Negative self-talk is huge too. I adopted a continuous mindfulness as a set of rules so that whenever my inner monologue is critical, I note it and file it away without engaging. Over time, the positive thoughts grew as my inner child learned that positive reinforcement works.

I'll stop there since I could talk about this literally forever, but I highly recommend talking to someone and seeing a doctor or nutritionist and trying some integrative and holistic approaches. Don't lose years like I did.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Stress resilience is one of the most important things when it comes to knowledge work, also one of the most neglected aspect. Mindfulness, stoicism, exercise help, but nothing helps as much as a good night sleep. Also the other thing people usually fail to note is the vicious stress-sleep cycle (lack of sleep induced stress stress induced lack of sleep). It took me years to realize that so much of my problems with be…

During a very difficult time in my life recently, I found it impossible to sleep. I would have stress nightmares and even when i did fall asleep, I would soon wake myself up with specific scenarios my mind was trying to work out. I was incapacitated by this, which exacerbated my situation. I eventually noticed that I could fall asleep if I sat with my daughters while they watched TV. This evolved to me falling asleep…

My wife has tried very similar things for years: having an Alexa Echo (or similar) play rainstorm sounds all night seems to work fantastically for all here.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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I am a little surprised that so many responses suggested optimization to your technique but not how to solve the problem at root. I am neither a shrink nor your shrink but I think it's probably safe to say that whatever is affecting your sleep is probably affecting other parts of your life too, and while you mentioned a very difficult time - our bodies and brains don't by default react in most helpful says (eg - keep…

The very best way of dealing with stress isn't internal, it is making the source of stress go away. Unless the internal changes fundamentally change how you view the world ( i.e. the source of stress no longer causes stress, which is the kind of change you'll very rarely see in adults ) it will only be a paliative measure. Being better able to cope with crap is useful, but I don't think it can be considered solving t…

I couldn't disagree with you more, fortunately. You can never remove all stressors but you have way more control over your reaction than you think.

One example - people's natural emotional reaction to work deadlines is something like "I'll die if I don't make it" which is almost never literally true, but your body and mind torment you as if it was. Everyone can learn to reframe it to something more healthy like "I am a hard-working processional and I am driving myself to achieve this deadline as a matter of achievement and pride". Then you can engage with it fully and then still go to sleep at night.

Here's the key thing: whether you are able to change how you react depends on whether you try, and whether you try depends on whether you believe that you can. So at the start, you must believe that introspection will empower you to make changes, or you are doomed to be stuck forever.

The pit that many people fall into is that they take themselves very seriously and believe that how they feel about something is an objective representation of the severity of that thing. My example with deadlines above is one example. Another simple one is social anxiety. Someone can really believe and feel that "if I go to drinks with coworkers, they will judge and laugh at me and I will make an ass out of myself somehow" - that feels super real to them but objectively it's not real at all. So they spend hours of torment and lots of sleepless nights fearing and dreading and avoiding something that objectively is nothing. If they can reframe it (over the course of years, with a lot of help and work) the whole thing reduces to "it's just drinks who cares.". Same situation, but the person turner a stressor into a neutral or maybe even positive.

Don't be stuck where you are, and don't think you can't change or feel differently unless the world does. And then expect the change to be hard work but worth it.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

During a very difficult time in my life recently, I found it impossible to sleep. I would have stress nightmares and even when i did fall asleep, I would soon wake myself up with specific scenarios my mind was trying to work out. I was incapacitated by this, which exacerbated my situation. I eventually noticed that I could fall asleep if I sat with my daughters while they watched TV. This evolved to me falling asleep…

I am a little surprised that so many responses suggested optimization to your technique but not how to solve the problem at root. I am neither a shrink nor your shrink but I think it's probably safe to say that whatever is affecting your sleep is probably affecting other parts of your life too, and while you mentioned a very difficult time - our bodies and brains don't by default react in most helpful says (eg - keep…

I specifically did not want to describe my specific crisis because I didn't want to distract from the conversation of my solution to the sleep-impacting aspect of the stress.

We are also dealing with the source of my/our stress, and it should be resolved one way or another in the next few months. It's a 24x7 crisis for us that's complex and we're all working on it. This isn't routine work stress.

I have also used some stoic phrases and slow breathing to help me during the day. https://iamthemaninthedarkroom.com/

My above comment is strictly about this one technique that I stumbled upon.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

During a very difficult time in my life recently, I found it impossible to sleep. I would have stress nightmares and even when i did fall asleep, I would soon wake myself up with specific scenarios my mind was trying to work out. I was incapacitated by this, which exacerbated my situation. I eventually noticed that I could fall asleep if I sat with my daughters while they watched TV. This evolved to me falling asleep…

Take whatever I say with a grain of salt, but I feel intentions(not to be confused with intentionality) help a lot here. They play a distinctive role in the etiology of attention(and the subsequent process of resilience building), one of the fundamental aspect of dealing with psychological issues. For eg, Whenever you become aware of these nightmares, try to observe the casual chain, eventually your mind will be inur…

This makes more sense for someone who might suffer general anxiety or "work stress" or relationships stress.

In my case, we're facing a crisis - so we know the source, and that it's temporary (one way or another).

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

#66

Stress resilience is one of the most important things when it comes to knowledge work, also one of the most neglected aspect. Mindfulness, stoicism, exercise help, but nothing helps as much as a good night sleep. Also the other thing people usually fail to note is the vicious stress-sleep cycle (lack of sleep induced stress stress induced lack of sleep). It took me years to realize that so much of my problems with be…

During a very difficult time in my life recently, I found it impossible to sleep. I would have stress nightmares and even when i did fall asleep, I would soon wake myself up with specific scenarios my mind was trying to work out. I was incapacitated by this, which exacerbated my situation. I eventually noticed that I could fall asleep if I sat with my daughters while they watched TV. This evolved to me falling asleep…

This is very interesting, this is the easiest way to fall asleep for me - reading a book or watching/listening to a comedy series. For some reason my brain prefers it to a dark & quiet room.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Take whatever I say with a grain of salt, but I feel intentions(not to be confused with intentionality) help a lot here. They play a distinctive role in the etiology of attention(and the subsequent process of resilience building), one of the fundamental aspect of dealing with psychological issues. For eg, Whenever you become aware of these nightmares, try to observe the casual chain, eventually your mind will be inur…

This makes more sense for someone who might suffer general anxiety or "work stress" or relationships stress. In my case, we're facing a crisis - so we know the source, and that it's temporary (one way or another).

What do you mean by we know the source? At best, you can track the functional(mri) and structural(pet) aspects your brain if you take the neuroscience route, and the behavioural(cbt) aspect when you take the route of psychology. It seems to me that the unique experience i.e., the unwelt is out of reach without some form of mindful confrontation/adaptation.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Stress resilience is one of the most important things when it comes to knowledge work, also one of the most neglected aspect. Mindfulness, stoicism, exercise help, but nothing helps as much as a good night sleep. Also the other thing people usually fail to note is the vicious stress-sleep cycle (lack of sleep induced stress stress induced lack of sleep). It took me years to realize that so much of my problems with be…

During a very difficult time in my life recently, I found it impossible to sleep. I would have stress nightmares and even when i did fall asleep, I would soon wake myself up with specific scenarios my mind was trying to work out. I was incapacitated by this, which exacerbated my situation. I eventually noticed that I could fall asleep if I sat with my daughters while they watched TV. This evolved to me falling asleep…

Two things that work great with me: smoking weed & wearing a sleeping mask (a bit of light can really fuck w/ my sleep and for some reasons no US apartments seems to have real blinds).

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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Working from home, needing to log in to work with 2FA, if I'm very tired, I find it difficult to keep the 6 pseudorandom digits in memory simultaneously for long enough to log in. Also, I should learn to touch-type the digits. It's funny that I've been touch-typing Dvorak for 20 years, but still haven't picked up the digits.

Finding a way to get better sleep is, of course, the proper answer to this problem, however there are mant situations where better sleep is elusive, so...

As a former sender of six digit codes, I worked hard to make them visually (and auditorially) appear to be two three digit codes; we thought that would make it easier for people to process. If you make a habit of processing the codes as two three digit codes, it might help when you're over tired.

Re: Lack of sleep, stress can lead to symptoms resembling concussion

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I wake up after about 4.5 hours of sleep "no matter what". Bedtime of 10pm or 2am, exercise or no, light exposure or no, late eating or no - always the same result. Then I'm awake for a few hours, then get my "second sleep" of 1 to 2 hours. I've been going like this for a decade without daytime sleepiness (a few oz of coffee and I'm charged up for the day), but these kinds of articles really worry me.

I have light sleep apnea, but a CPAP didn't help either. I'm old (60) so I'm considering trying melatonin to replace what I'm no longer producing, but I'm also wondering if I'm missing some other potential "staying asleep" lifestyle factors. Anyone here successfully dealt with the "stay asleep"issue other than with the variables I listed?

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