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Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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> Simplicity? Perhaps in its use, but not the code. Nobody but other devs cares about the simplicity of the code if the code works. > The code and hosting requirements are, frankly, Frankenstein's monster levels of frightening. Huh? Wordpress/PHP hosting requirements are the easiest to meet in the industry. Not to mention the most widely available... > ~~You have to~~ WP expect you to install it such that it can modi…

The NFS requirement for multiple Wordpress hosts are an instant deal breaker for me when discussing CMS on the cloud. Wordpress made sense when the web was a collection of independent servers. However in today’s cloud-orientated hosting landscape there are a thousand better ways to provide said content. Both at the beginner level and at the enterprise.

>The NFS requirement for multiple Wordpress hosts are an instant deal breaker for me when discussing CMS on the cloud.

There's no "NFS requirement for multiple Wordpress hosts" tho.

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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Once upon a time my team built The Players’ Tribune with headless Wordpress + Nextjs + CDN , which I believe is a fairly common choice these days, on that it strikes a nice middle-ground between a refined editing experience for the end-user and a not overly-complex experience for the dev team. For a static content-heavy site, it worked fine.

But the real issue at stake here is more subtle than the question of the experiences of end-users vs developers, or of ecosystems vs. complexity, or is insecure vs secure.

The real issue is writing “static content-heavy site” as if static and content-heavy must go together. There is an assumption that a content-heavy site will be static. This is not true.

I’m baffled that almost all content-heavy sites relegate dynamic content to “Related content” and “Recommended content” to sidebars and post-content sections. Facebook and social media, one could argue, have become successful in large part because their content is dynamic in the same way ad-tech is dynamic — presenting the content contextual to a particular user’s interest and behavior. Tik Tok does this the best.

The enduring legacy of Wordpress (regardless of whether you use Wordpress or some alternative) is that the content-is-static mindset has become an unquestioned axiom. The very idea of a WYSIWYG is that content is and always will be static.

Although Tik-Tok has demonstrated the power of dynamic delivery of content, the content itself still remains static. How could it not be, most people still locked into the static-content mindset might ask.

But there’s no reason that individual chunks of content can’t be dynamic too. After all, we do have different sized thumbnails for previews of content on different screen sizes. So why not different versions of headlines? Or different versions of an entire article (not simply teaser vs. body).

The reason is that, as always, our imaginations are limited by our tools. Our content tools embed an impoverished imagination.

The content-world is waiting for a startup to give us a CMS that embeds an imagination where content is dynamic, both in delivery and in substance. Moreover, with tools like GPT3, the generation of adjusted content is now practical. While an editor could write 100 versions of an article, based on combinations of style, tone, and length, GPT3 could generate drafts that would reduce an editor’s work to ... editing.

The CMS is ripe for fundamental innovation. Here’s hoping someone is working on it!

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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I hope we again see the value of using systems like Wordpress for it’s simplicity in getting a blog/website setup and easily modify content. Lately most of the modern marketing websites I see is built using gatsby and next.js. Having been talking to different content/marketing teams, they hate it so much because of the complexity it brings. Editing content? Sign in to this headless CRM app, want a form? Go sign in to…

It’s true that Wordpress is very good at letting you modify content easily. That is, as you say, a major reason to use it.

However. That assumes you are only needing to edit text with basic formatting (bold, underline, etc...) As soon as you get into anything more complex you pretty much have to understand HTML and CSS.

I just ran into this with three different Wordpress installs. Two use Divi and the third uses WP Bakery. Those are really nice plugins and in 100% of the cases, the person using the site told me they don’t understand what’s going on and kept making a mess of something.

I’m guessing that for The Whitehouse site they will mostly be doing minimal content editing. Then again, they have the resources to have a person who understands HTML and CSS manage the site when things get tricky.

I’m not saying Wordpress is bad but it very quickly can become not as easy to use as most people make it out to be.

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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This thread is full of pro and anti wordpress/php and of anti and pro jamstack. I'd like to see the project's requirements.

Requirements and time to work. January 20th at noon was the absolute-ish deadline, but when did the work begin? Was it November 4, or sometime later given the lack of concession from the previous administration?

I am sure it was rushed a bit and reused things.

The contrast and typo sliding menu was present on the bidenharris and or joebidden.com websites.

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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Given that this was the most non-cooperative transitions in modern times, if not ever, is it possible they had to make certain compromises?

Wonder if they had to contend with missing letters in keyboards, there's some historical precedent for that.

It’s funny. Until this year that was the only anecdote I ever heard about any presidential transition.

https://www.salon.com/2001/05/23/vandals/

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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What are the best alternatives these days to WordPress for non-technical people? I know of Squarespace and Webflow. Any others?

Hire someone who is technical? Most people don’t install the electrical or plumbing on their house, why are they trying to make a website?

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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The one thing great about WordPress is the massive number of themes available (and plugins, if you're not a programmer). I wish very much that there were 10% as many attractive themes available for static sites. Yes, you can port them, but it's a pain. And yes, you can design them, but it takes more time and most programmers don't have the design chops to pull it off.

> themes available for static sites By this do you mean plain HTML/CSS themes that you can edit yourself, or themes that are integrated and can be edited within static website providers?

The latter. There are dozens of Jekyll themes, Hugo themes, etc.

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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What are the best alternatives these days to WordPress for non-technical people? I know of Squarespace and Webflow. Any others?

For non-technical people, Wordpress is a mess as it relies on clumsy plugins for WISIWIGish editing. From my research, it seems like there are three top CMS for non-techies: Squarespace, Wix and Weebly. I compared Wix and Squarespace primarily and went with Wix because Squarespace has no backup/restore capability. I'd consider backup to be essential for non tech users.

Re: Whitehouse.gov Chooses WordPress, Again

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What are the best alternatives these days to WordPress for non-technical people? I know of Squarespace and Webflow. Any others?

Hire someone who is technical? Most people don’t install the electrical or plumbing on their house, why are they trying to make a website?

For a business web application, yeah. For someone trying to get a small marketing page / blog online, DIY solutions almost always make more business sense than paying hundreds or thousands of dollars (and then having to self-maintain or pay a retainer).
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