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> You might attract older folks, but you know you want young talent. A lot of the things you say make sense, but this sounds ridiculous to me. Why would you only want young talent? How about older talent? Skill isn’t age specific.
> How about older talent? Just guessing: older talent is less willing to work overtime and weekends, because they have a family waiting for them at home?
Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]
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Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]
#462NO ONE is claiming or predicting that everyone or even a majority of people will work from home.
The authors, from three different universities, surveyed 15,000 Americans and documented a permanent shift towards more remote work going forward, going from 5% of work days used for remote work pre-pandemic to 25% of work days used for remote work post-pandemic.
If you think for even a moment how much solo work must be done by individuals at most companies (think: one-on-one sales calls, proposal writing, spreadsheet modeling, coding, design work, writing employee reviews, updating accounting/ERP data, etc.), the authors' findings make complete sense.
Here's the abstract:
> We survey 15,000 Americans over several waves to investigate whether, how, and why working from home will stick after COVID-19. The pandemic drove a mass social experiment in which half of all paid hours were provided from home between May and October 2020. Our survey evidence says that about 25 percent of all full work days will be supplied from home after the pandemic ends, compared with just 5 percent before. We provide evidence on five mechanisms behind this persistent shift to working from home: diminished stigma, better-than-expected experiences working from home, investments in physical and human capital enabling working from home, reluctance to return to pre-pandemic activities, and innovation supporting working from home. We also examine some implications of a persistent shift in working arrangements: First, high-income workers, especially, will enjoy the perks of working from home. Second, we forecast that the post-pandemic shift to working from home will lower worker spending in major city centers by 5 to 10 percent. Third, many workers report being more productive at home than on business premises, so post-pandemic work from home plans offer the potential to raise productivity as much as 2.4 percent.
Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]
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Because most people aren’t as productive as Worker B. Having Worker B come in late and leave early sets a bad example for all the Worker As (and breeds resentment among them). Worker B staying all day and screwing around half the time and distracting Worker A so they get 8 widgets done an hour instead of 10 is bad, too. Give me 10 average people over 5 great ones any day. Average people can get better when they work…
How about 10 average vs 1 great?
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I don't know, man. Young You sounds like a very different person to Young Me. If my first employer had told young 20-something Me "I'm afraid we're not going to let you come in and sit in this felt cube every day after all. Instead we're going to ask that you fly to Thailand and work from a laptop on the beach from here on out.", I would not have reacted by explaining how work is a social thing that needs to happen i…
You didn't get what OP is saying. The point is not that nobody wants remote work. The point is that today the office is an important part of our social life, and as long as we don't find a replacement people will be willing to go back to the office. Not all the people would want that, not going every day at the office either. But having an office so that you can socialize is today required by a lot of people to be ha…
Our survey evidence says that about 25 percent of all full work days will be supplied from home after the pandemic ends, compared with just 5 percent before.
Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]
#465And if you want more water-cooler interactions online or whatever there are ways to facilitate that with software.
Also there is nothing about remote-first that precludes people from meeting in person on a regular basis.
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Quality of work is something people can argue about until they're blue in the face, but hours put are objective.
Objective in the sense that someone sitting at a desk for 8 hours without moving a muscle has sat at a desk for 8 hours. But useful to the company employing them - not so much.
And this is also what will ruin your health in a few decades.
...which will then reduce your productivity.
...which will then get you fired.
...which will then make you lose your health insurance.
...which will then make you lose your savings to pay for all the healthcare bills.
Luckily, none of this will be your employer's problem, because there is another person with healthy enough spine that can replace you at your desk.
Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]
#467This is ironic coming from Stanford, who is currently fucking up every single aspect of their handling of covid, as many Stanford students will attest to. Colleges are basically scammers at this point. The whole benefit of going to college is being able to meet like-minded smart, young people like yourself. Remote college isn't a thing and never will be. College is about people, as much as it is about learning. The u…
Re: Why Working from Home Will Stick [pdf]
#468This is ironic coming from Stanford, who is currently fucking up every single aspect of their handling of covid, as many Stanford students will attest to. Colleges are basically scammers at this point. The whole benefit of going to college is being able to meet like-minded smart, young people like yourself. Remote college isn't a thing and never will be. College is about people, as much as it is about learning. The u…
Also, I am sure that Stanford online is disappointing compared to in person. But there are ways to improve the social aspects with software. The particular configuration of the software and how it's used will make a huge difference in the types or amount of online social interactions.
For example, if you want you can create a virtual dorm room in Gary's Mod or Rec Room VR and get your friends to log into it at lunch and dinner. But the fact that they aren't forced to interact with you because they are physically in the same space does not seem like it should be the only factor.
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1. This is the main reason I prefer remote working. I don’t like socializing. I’m there to work, not to chit chat. You’re not my friend, your a fellow worker. 2. Time to get a better manager who trusts you. 3. Commuting is a waste of time. I roll out of bed and immediately start working. The company loses on time I could be working by having me commute. 4. Yeah, I definitely can’t relate to this one.
For something you're going to spend your life doing, it's a horrible prospect to not expect to make friends at work. As a child did you spend 12 years not making friends in school, since school is for learning and not socialization?
I get on with my coworkers, we talk about non-work things, we occasionally do (well, did) social activities in the evenings or weekends... but if someone leaves I fully expect to never see or talk to them again, and the thought doesn't pain me.
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There's something more insidious to your analogy though. A lot of those banking jobs don't exist anymore. Any job that can be WFH will be easy to outsource. You aren't need in office so why do we even need you in this time zone? Outsource it cheap. If it really is manageable from a 30 min standup and Jira then why even bother with expensive devs? Before you had a small competitive market in a central location. Now yo…
> why even bother with expensive devs? Because you get what you pay for. I am yet to hear of any cases where in the long run outsourcing development to a low-wage country actually saved money. Competent engineers generally follow the money and emigrate. Why earn $10k a year in India when you could earn $100k in the USA?
The idea that devs in india can never be good as devs in the USA is so absurdly arrogant I don't know what to say. I'm sure mechanics thought the same, engineers thought "no way the japs can make better cars" yea we saw how that went.