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Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by laretluval »

newacct583 wrote: post #391
fatsdomino001 wrote: post #371

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if these same techniques will be used to track down all the rioters and looters from this past summer. Or is it just used against particular groups?

The actually violent leftie anarchists knew all this stuff ahead of time and didn't leave digital trails. Their whole gig was opposition to the police, which means they knew what they were facing and how the system worked. What's notable about the capitol mob is the fact that, while yeah, they knew they were attacking congress technically , they figured that doing it in service to a sitting president made it legal so…

I'd say the people who have invested time, forethought, and organization into how to evade law enforcement are scarier.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by refurb »

tuxone wrote: post #340
quercusa wrote: post #303

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

If you are from EU take it easy at 27:25, I’m sure there’s no data about what he’s talking about.

Yeah. I’d rather take the word of a random HN’er versus some guy who has actually worked with those European police forces.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by sk5t »

laretluval wrote: post #401
newacct583 wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actually violent leftie anarchists knew all this stuff ahead of time and didn't leave digital trails. Their whole gig was opposition to the police, which means they knew what they were facing and how the system worked. What's notable about the capitol mob is the fact that, while yeah, they knew they were attacking congress technically , they figured that doing it in service to a sitting president made it legal so…

I'd say the people who have invested time, forethought, and organization into how to evade law enforcement are scarier.

I'm more concerned about people who think and act as if there is no law that applies to them, compared to those who would evade the law.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by mhh__ »

NoSorryCannot wrote: post #345
mhh__ wrote: post #323

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Obscuring information from Law Enforcement is still probably perjury if they find out and can prove you knew

Perjury is for courtrooms after you take an oath. Lying to law enforcement is categorically not perjury.

OK - I'm not sure what the word is, but I think they'd get you for Perverting the Course of Justice in the UK at least

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Post by tim44 »

papa_reton wrote: post #219
01100011 wrote: post #165

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Yeah but the funny thing is that these surveillance networks never actually seem to be used to solve normal crimes. Is it laziness on the part of the police? Are they trying to reserve these systems for more serious crimes so we forget they exist? Is it just a matter of time before police culture catches up and we see license plate readers, cell phone records, CCTV networks, etc used to track down petty thieves and r…

Didn't you hear of Snowden's revelations? NSA has full access such data. The police does not. The police cares about murders and bank robberies. NSA does not.

Police are busy searching private DNA databases for serial killers and trying to normalize that avenue.

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Post by simlevesque »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #316
ficklepickle wrote: post #252

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Policing in the USA, to a nearby outsider, appears to be more about enforcing societal norms than safety or laws. It seems to me they harass anyone they perceive to be abnormal. As a delightfully abnormal human, I'm very glad I was born just north of the 49th parallel. It's not perfect, but I do feel free to be myself.

Haha, having spent time above and below 49, I would say you couldn’t be more wrong with that perception. In any American city, especially big liberal ones (which is most of them) you can forget about societal norms. There are weird and crazy people everywhere. Nothing is “weird” to anybody who has spent any amount of time in them. Everyone walks right past a circus on their way to work. Cops pay no attention. Ask a N…

> You’ve got everything from LAPD to an elected backwoodsy county Sheriff

Did you try to make a joke ? Both of those are racist to the core. They are the same.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by [deleted] »

laretluval wrote: post #401
newacct583 wrote: post #391

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The actually violent leftie anarchists knew all this stuff ahead of time and didn't leave digital trails. Their whole gig was opposition to the police, which means they knew what they were facing and how the system worked. What's notable about the capitol mob is the fact that, while yeah, they knew they were attacking congress technically , they figured that doing it in service to a sitting president made it legal so…

I'd say the people who have invested time, forethought, and organization into how to evade law enforcement are scarier.

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Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by sangnoir »

daneel_w wrote: post #111

If it matters that someone, anyone, knows you were at this or that location at this or that point in time, don't bring your phone with you at all. We're at a juncture where you cannot trust your smartphone (I'm looking at Android specifically) to not have its cellular transceiver running even when the phone is supposedly powered off.

> If it matters that someone, anyone, knows you were at this or that location at this or that point in time, don't bring your phone with you at all.

This hardly matters if your appearance is captured by no less than 4 live streams, an additional 6 videos and 21 pictures posted by third parties to social media. Not bringing your phone is the bare minimum, but not close to being enough to cover your tracks. Once someone with wide-enough information sources suspects you were at a location of interest, you are toast: it's the attack/defense scenario where defender has to get every step right. Any mistake by the defender (or their ally or even an npc), no matter how small, means the attacker wins.

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Post by konjin »

stretchcat wrote: post #390
konjin wrote: post #369

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The US isn't better or worse than Europe, it's different. Having lived in both the hypocrisy of Europeans when it comes to police brutality to gypsies is astonishing, doubly so since I'm half gypsy but white enough to get a free pass and get told how bad 'they' are.

Usually it's around this time that some European chimes in with some bullshit about how it's not racism when it's against gypsies. Hopefully this time they spare us.

Again Americans aren't any better. My blond grandmother was in a camp because she was a slav but somehow racism against white people doesn't exist.

Both are equally stupid, but in different ways

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by JohnBooty »

syshum wrote: post #209
breck wrote: post #166

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Not a big deal. Good engineering demands logged pings. Not doing that would be bad engineering. Could it be abused? Sure. But that's why we need to continue to engineer a better democracy as well. We can do both.

No we cant, the US was never to be a democracy, and you can not engineer a better one We are a constitutional republic with a LIMITED government, we as a society has lost respect for those constitutional limits and instead of taking principled stands to restrict government we have taken unprincipled stands based on the outcome we desire for society Attempting to "engineer" a better society is the exact problem we hav…

    Liberty is allowing people to live their lives
    unmolested by government laws and regulations
You live in a society.

Presumably you would like some legal remedy if somebody tries to harm you, or poison your drinking water upstream, or violates a written contract, sexually assaults your loved ones, or so forth.

A life "unmolested by laws and regulations" is the most naive kind of fantasy imaginable. If history has taught us anything via failed states, lassiez-faire governments, and the like it's that power consolidates. Soon people would band together, form factions/tribes, and you'd be subject to their power.

Democracy kind of sucks in all of the obvious ways, but at least it's actually possible and sort of works. This can't be said for the delusional notion of living in your own little self-sufficient kingdom (in a world of over seven billion people, lol) where somehow you magically don't have anybody exerting influence on you, ever.

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