FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

Post by fatsdomino001 » Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:11 AM UTC

bastardoperator wrote: post #359

quercusa wrote: post #303

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

These folks weren't smart enough to leave their tracking devices at home and a ton of them filmed their crimes. Everyone has a right to remain silent, but it's not going to help in most of these cases where the evidence is so abundant.

Post by throwaway0a5e » Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:17 AM UTC

donkeyd wrote: post #292

BurningFrog wrote: post #207

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You can become a suspect for all sorts of random things you have no control over, like being near a crime, knowing certain people, etc. I don't see how it can work any other way.

Which means there will be 100 suspects where usually there would be maybe 2. Which means the data is useless and therefore won't be used. Law enforcement doesn't want a system that incorrectly flags hundreds of people, unlike what some people seem to think. They want systems that reliably flag potential suspects, because that reduces work in stead of increasing it.

Post by skeletonjelly » Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:18 AM UTC

djrogers wrote: post #363

skeletonjelly wrote: post #357

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Then you weren't paying attention enough, and just because you don't recall doesn't mean it didn't happen, which it did: https://theintercept.com/2020/07/09/twitter-dataminr-police-... Know where I recalled I read this? Here. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23783503

Your linked article is about a company data-mining Twitter. TFA we are discussing is about the FBI getting location data from phones. These are two very different things...

Post by Taniwha » Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:26 AM UTC

gruez wrote: post #279

nabla9 wrote: post #33

Forensic methods used by police and intelligence go much deeper than just looking at phones near the crime scene. 1. They look at phones moving towards the crime scene and going dark when getting close. This is also how you can detect secret meetings between people. They move towards the same area and shut down their phones. 2. They look at suspect phone going dark anywhere around the time of the incident. 3. Leaving…

>3. Leaving a phone at home that is not answering calls or creating traffic during the time of interest is also a lead (if you already have a suspect). Won't most phones being left at home generate no traffic because it's connected to wifi? AFAIK most phones turn off their mobile data connection if connected to wifi. It's also not too unreasonable to have very little baseline voice traffic, since everyone's texting t…

Post by throwaway0a5e » Sun, Jan 24, 2021, 1:29 AM UTC

powersnail wrote: post #295

ficklepickle wrote: post #252

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Policing in the USA, to a nearby outsider, appears to be more about enforcing societal norms than safety or laws. It seems to me they harass anyone they perceive to be abnormal. As a delightfully abnormal human, I'm very glad I was born just north of the 49th parallel. It's not perfect, but I do feel free to be myself.

Not just policing. I've found that in USA, the society in general wants to meddle with people's business. Me and my buddy were standing on the sidewalk of a bridge, making a time lapse. Within one hour, someone called the police on us twice.