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Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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I watched the summer riots on youtube live streams, I don't recall the FBI using this technique for the tens of thousands of man-hours spent looting, burning and rioting in Portland, LA, Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC or Atlanta.

They pursued legislators and the vice president after gaining access to the building. The FBI should be aggressive.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#352

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That’s what made it appear fake. Every republican protest recently has dozens of people carrying rifles. Why would it make sense for them not to do this when they are invading the capitol? It doesn’t add up. It’s almost as if they were not planning to really do anything except cause a diversion.

I agree with most of your reasoning but intrigued by the diversion bit. Any theories on what this was a distraction from? What got less/no attention as a result of this?

I'm not sure about distraction, but the whole exercise called to mind similar exercises in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ukraine, Hong Kong, etc. Those were run by CIA, so even though I don't have a good theory for why they (or parties within the organization; it's not a monolith) would do this, it does make one wonder... Keep in mind that even if a particular party staged this exercise, it might not have gone as they planned.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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If you are from EU take it easy at 27:25, I’m sure there’s no data about what he’s talking about.

Yeah, I was going to react to that. I'm not from Italy or Spain but definitely could be in "so forth", I found that somewhat offensive. Especially coming from an American policeman, where police brutality is no small problem... I found him a good advocate of "don't talk to police", a lot of things he describes as standard police practice I would have hoped are illegal, and probably are in some EU countries (police ca…

Just because there's a lot of news of US police brutality and little or no news from [insert country]'s police brutality, that data point could just as well mean that the news are more robust in the US than that there's less of it in other countries.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#354

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Well, if you agree with that advice then you shouldn't say anything in public either, e.g. here on HN, since that too can be used against you.

Can you think of a way that talking to the police might be different from posting on HN when it comes to self-incrimination? If you truly can't just let me know and I'll give you a hand, but you should try the exercise yourself first.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#355

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> Most of the people who went to DC did so peacefully and lawfully. The story is about phones near the capitol building, not attendees at the Trump rally near the White House and certainly not the entirety of DC. Most of the people at the capitol seem to have breached the perimeter, in fact. I haven't seen any coverage of a static demonstration that stayed outside the barricades anywhere. Once those fences went down…

There's a great YouTube video that collects a ton of footage taken through the day you can review to see the behavior of the protestors on that day.[1] As an aside, since you appear to feel that breaching a threshold is grounds to review the behavior of all parties in the vicinity—regardless of their involvement—do you feel similarly about breaching country border thresholds? The reason I ask is simple: nobody disput…

> What is under dispute are the methods used to determine who that was.

What's the dispute, though? Use of cell records to filter suspects has a long history. And here we have a situation (an assault on a single building) that is almost perfectly suited to exactly this technique.

> The particular method outlined in the article implicates a number of completely innocent protestors.

Again, I see little evidence for an organized protest outside the capitol. Virtually everyone walked across that barrier. And given that, yeah, I think it's reasonable to assume that people in the capitol building cell viscinity without an existing alibi are suspects.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#356

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And yet, violent crime this year is at a multi-decade high[1]. It's one thing to suffer the indignity of a surveillance, but it's quite another when the surveillance doesn't even deliver its purported benefits. [1] https://time.com/5922082/2020-gun-violence-homicides-record-...

Well, realistically, it isn’t about preventing crime, it’s about catching criminals. (I’m not a fan of all this)

Isn't catching criminals a pretty good way to prevent crime?

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#357

I watched the summer riots on youtube live streams, I don't recall the FBI using this technique for the tens of thousands of man-hours spent looting, burning and rioting in Portland, LA, Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC or Atlanta.

Then you weren't paying attention enough, and just because you don't recall doesn't mean it didn't happen, which it did:

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/09/twitter-dataminr-police-...

Know where I recalled I read this? Here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23783503

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#358

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Well, if you agree with that advice then you shouldn't say anything in public either, e.g. here on HN, since that too can be used against you.

Are you talking about getting downvoted? Or how are people using things against one other on HN?

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#359

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

These folks weren't smart enough to leave their tracking devices at home and a ton of them filmed their crimes. Everyone has a right to remain silent, but it's not going to help in most of these cases where the evidence is so abundant.

Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

#360

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Well, if you agree with that advice then you shouldn't say anything in public either, e.g. here on HN, since that too can be used against you.

It's a talented cop who can tie you to a murder based on your favourite JavaScript framework.
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