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Re: FBI agents track cell phones that pinged near the Capitol

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Post by im3w1l »

ev1 wrote: post #60
fennecfoxen wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And another self-centered European who can't countenance that the rest of the world has neither incentive nor inclination to kowtow to Europe's whims, instead preferring to lecture us on our moral inferiority. But such things happen, and we should both get used to it.

I don't live in the EU currently but I don't think "no means no" and "informed consent is good" and "stop abusing and violating all of your users" is a bad thing. edit: This news article of several paragraphs is loading content from 11 domains directly. If you unblock a few of them, it loads JS that collects and sending your data and unique identifiers to dozens of domains. This one page of text makes over 1,000 requ…

Thing is that if you barely make any money from the EU, it's hard to justify the time and money spent just understanding the GDPR.

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Post by inefficient »

donkeyd wrote: post #292
BurningFrog wrote: post #207

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You can become a suspect for all sorts of random things you have no control over, like being near a crime, knowing certain people, etc. I don't see how it can work any other way.

Which means there will be 100 suspects where usually there would be maybe 2. Which means the data is useless and therefore won't be used. Law enforcement doesn't want a system that incorrectly flags hundreds of people, unlike what some people seem to think. They want systems that reliably flag potential suspects, because that reduces work in stead of increasing it.

That is only true if you assume they truly care about having the correct suspect rather than having a suspect they can get convicted.

However, there is a long history of wrongful convictions and police and prosecutors using bad data to get them. Check out the Central Park Five for a big name one.

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Post by mhh__ »

hehetrthrthrjn wrote: post #304
new_guy wrote: post #178

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> I socially engineered them to believe You lied , which is totally fine, but trying to obfuscate that behind word salad is just silly.

If you change the subject or redirect when someone asks you a difficult question you're not lying. That sort of thing could be called social engineering.

Obscuring information from Law Enforcement is still probably perjury if they find out and can prove you knew

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Post by inefficient »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #311
sneak wrote: post #271

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As a weird person who grew up in the USA (and eventually left for just this reason), I can attest to the accuracy of this analysis. I even wrote about it recently: https://sneak.berlin/20200628/the-problem-with-police-in-ame...

This is just wrong on so many levels. You even included the widely debunked (even by her own colleagues!) Nikole Hannah-Jones 1619 project lies. Cops do not care if you are “weird”. Police do in fact exist to enforce the law. It really is that simple.

Well that's just blatantly not true. They aren't even required to know the laws and can enforce laws that they think exist even if they do not. See Heien vs North Carolina.

Police exist to "keep the peace." The question is whose peace are they keeping. Well I suppose the reaction of police at the Jan. 6 insurrection vs that of the BLM protests tells us a little. Or the union busting police did in the past. Or blocking the polls for minorities.

But it absolutely isn't "that simple."

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Post by gruez »

dboreham wrote: post #287
gruez wrote: post #279

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>3. Leaving a phone at home that is not answering calls or creating traffic during the time of interest is also a lead (if you already have a suspect). Won't most phones being left at home generate no traffic because it's connected to wifi? AFAIK most phones turn off their mobile data connection if connected to wifi. It's also not too unreasonable to have very little baseline voice traffic, since everyone's texting t…

Probably that's not what happens.

Elaborate?

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Post by madenine »

SQL2219 wrote: post #318

I watched the summer riots on youtube live streams, I don't recall the FBI using this technique for the tens of thousands of man-hours spent looting, burning and rioting in Portland, LA, Seattle, Minneapolis, Chicago, NYC or Atlanta.

I don't think its the FBI's job to figure out who smashed up a Target or looted a Footlocker.

Its definitely the FBI's job to figure out who breached a federal building, let alone the seat of our legislative branch during an active session.

That being said... the FBI, DOJ, DHS, and state agencies definitely do shady stuff and track people via their devices at protests. I'm remembering surveillance planes over Baltimore that were traced back to feds.

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Post by dualthro »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #311
sneak wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a weird person who grew up in the USA (and eventually left for just this reason), I can attest to the accuracy of this analysis. I even wrote about it recently: https://sneak.berlin/20200628/the-problem-with-police-in-ame...

This is just wrong on so many levels. You even included the widely debunked (even by her own colleagues!) Nikole Hannah-Jones 1619 project lies. Cops do not care if you are “weird”. Police do in fact exist to enforce the law. It really is that simple.

Police murdered this kid for being weird: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Elijah_McClain

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Post by [deleted] »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #313
powersnail wrote: post #295

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Not just policing. I've found that in USA, the society in general wants to meddle with people's business. Me and my buddy were standing on the sidewalk of a bridge, making a time lapse. Within one hour, someone called the police on us twice.

How can anyone possibly draw conclusions about the USA based on this? Like, really stop and think about all of the fallacies here. Do that 10 more times on 10 different bridges, and I’ll be shocked if that happens even one more time.

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #311
sneak wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a weird person who grew up in the USA (and eventually left for just this reason), I can attest to the accuracy of this analysis. I even wrote about it recently: https://sneak.berlin/20200628/the-problem-with-police-in-ame...

This is just wrong on so many levels. You even included the widely debunked (even by her own colleagues!) Nikole Hannah-Jones 1619 project lies. Cops do not care if you are “weird”. Police do in fact exist to enforce the law. It really is that simple.

That's a nice fantasy. They're supposed to enforce broken laws. It isn't unusual for them to abuse their power with mental gymnastics to violate the civil rights of law abiding citizens.

I've had two illegal stops in the past year because in one I took a swig from a soda bottle going by a speed trap and the cop wanted to see if it was alcohol. The other, a cop in an unmarked car tried to run me out of my lane to follow a speeder.

Some years ago I had to deal with a small town gumshoe in Indiana who had staked out an intersection of IN route 55. This was late at night in pitch black darkness. Indiana highway signs look like speed limit signs from a distance and IN55 in particular is hard to distinguish from the 55MPH speed limit signs. The local cops know this and abuse their power to make illegal stops.

https://www.google.com/maps/@40.2361263,-87.2433936,3a,75y,1...

Indiana requires signals 200 ft from an intersection in rural areas rather than the normal 100 ft. The county couldn't be bothered to have an advance sign for the intersection so I didn't know when to signal for the turn. He and I were the only two people on the road but clearly I was a major threat to public safety.

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Post by sn_master »

quercusa wrote: post #303

If you've never seen it, it's worth your time to watch "Don't Talk to The Police", a lecture by a law professor, in case the FBI, etc. come knocking on your door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-7o9xYp7eE

Unrelated, but when I saw this first comments were still allowed.

Everywhere on YouTube it seems comments are being disabled on new and old videos :/

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