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Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by alsetmusic » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 10:32 PM UTC

jl6 wrote: post #90

inglor_cz wrote: post #75

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> 2) they are wayyyyy too big to police content manually To be more exact: they do not want to spend money on competent policing. They probably have capability to employ ten times as many human moderators as they do now, thus reducing the blatant error rate (at least in the case of highly influential pages and people), but that would eat into their profits.

Assuming a user:moderator ratio of 10,000:1, they would need to hire 200,000 moderators to cover their 2 billion users. Then at that scale, they’d need to hire thousands of meta-moderators and meta-meta-moderators too.

There’s no need for a specific class of meta-mods. Just use the same system as Slashdot: periodically throw a random moderator’s decision in front of another mod. Ask them if the decision was fair. A portion of the bad decisions will get reported and screened.

If all mods are routinely screening each other’s work, everyone has an incentive to be fair. Biased mod decisions are thus a risk to your continued employment because you know your work is spot-checked.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by ivalm » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 10:34 PM UTC

justinclift wrote: post #168

ivalm wrote: post #94

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If meta moderators are at the same scale then that’s only 200 meta moderators and only 1 meta meta. The base of a log scaling pyramid is approximately as large as the entire pyramid.

Wouldn't that be 20 meta moderators (10k:1 scale), rather than 200?

You’re right, apologies!

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by type0 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 10:41 PM UTC

kangaroozach wrote: post #140

jancsika wrote: post #114

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> 1) they don't feel they can NOT police content True. But we should be explicit here-- FB isn't some neat, nerdy social graph software that just happened to get really popular, like git for regular people or something. They have a business model to shake up their social graph to maximize engagement, and the implementation achieves this by keeping everyone maximally mad as hell at each other. It spreads conspiracy th…

Censoring content rather than refuting its claims is counterproductive. If skeptics are not able to be argumentatively refute a claim, they will not succeed in changing minds. The current strategy of trying to silence view points will eventually fail miserably. The issue is that when a platform outsources its censorship (“moderation”) to a third party that it still controls, rather than a third party that is actually…

> will eventually become common knowledge and the censors will be implicated in the coverup thereby harming their trust.

But by that time almost no-one would care. And this is probably what they're counting on.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by type0 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 10:57 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #32

stonecraftwolf wrote: post #8

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This seems overly glib. Facebook’s monopoly status means it’s necessary for many people. As per the post, if this person were a small business owner, or simply not well-connected elsewhere, this could be both financially and personally devastating. As it is, he’s only protected because he has other access to business and personal pages. One company shouldn’t have this sort of arbitrary power over people’s lives.

I find the idea of Facebook being "necessary" for anyone quite spectacularly laughable. This isn't, air or water. You can live without it, and many people happily do. Facebook is about as essential as essential oils.

In certain areas it actually is essential for small businesses (or so they think). Consider that such small shop owners would say they're even saving money by not having their own webpage because it's expensive compared to FB page.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by baash05 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 11:00 PM UTC

My understanding is.. You get an invite to my house, and then when you walk in, you tell me how much you hate it here. I ask you to leave, and you're surprised. Does that about sum up the interaction?

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by Delk » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 11:08 PM UTC

KineticLensman wrote: post #34

falcolas wrote: post #23

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3 and 4 are easy - have a manual review of automatically flagged content. You get clear reasons, better resolution of false positives, and it’s not simple to game. And, in another plus, it can feed back into the AI training.

> 3 and 4 are easy But 2 (scale) makes this solution to 3 and 4 expensive / impractical.

While this certainly makes it much less likely that costly massive human moderation would actually be implemented, I don't think that really qualifies as an argument for why it shouldn't be done.

If you think rossdavidh is right about those issues Facebook is having (and I think he's right), then that's the reality in which the company has to operate. If a business model leads to infeasible costs due to fundamental issues, maybe that business model shouldn't exist as such.

Obviously Facebook (or any other company) doesn't want to do anything that significantly increases their costs without providing revenue if they can avoid it, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be expected of them.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by type0 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 11:10 PM UTC

rektide wrote: post #185

drcongo wrote: post #143

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The melodrama in this comment reads like Stockholm syndrome. Honestly mate, it’s not that bad. Give it a go, try not using it for a week. Humans managed for thousands of years without knowing what great Aunt Flo thinks of immigrants or 5G every waking second. You don’t need your life validated by someone liking your posts, there’s real life ways of finding actual meaning in your actions.

I haven't used Facebook for >2 years. I find it super boring, don't have many active friends there. But I see relatives who use it regularly, for whom Facebook is quite near to being their complete access to the world, their world. Your poo-poo'ing dismissal of access to the locked-on standard of sharing life events & baby photos seems so heartless to me. You don't seem to be willing to budge, to show an iota of symp…

I agree with you, these online social connections have become even more valuable in the times of pandemic. It is cruel specially for older generation where their only contact with the family has been fb, it's kinda sad that it happened, their dark patterns, unethical business deals has been screwing people for years and no one seems to see it.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by 29083011397778 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 11:16 PM UTC

Lammy wrote: post #180

danpalmer wrote: post #170

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Other good suggestions here, but here’s another: you tripped the New Bot Account detector. As your account ages there will be more information about whether you are real or not. Stopping the influx of bots before they do damage is important. Therefore it’s quite likely that Twitter ban accounts early if they look like bots based on not much info (and potentially if they look low value). You followed a few people who…

> Stopping the influx of bots before they do damage is important. Why?

Likely because if bad actors add bots and gain followers (across all bot accounts) faster than Twitter kills off the bots, the ratio of bots to real people will eventually (on a long enough timeline) become infinite.

When people notice they're only seeing, hearing from, and seeing retweets from bots, they're likely to leave Twitter. That would be bad for Twitter.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by baash05 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 11:21 PM UTC

stickfigure wrote: post #107

inglor_cz wrote: post #75

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> 2) they are wayyyyy too big to police content manually To be more exact: they do not want to spend money on competent policing. They probably have capability to employ ten times as many human moderators as they do now, thus reducing the blatant error rate (at least in the case of highly influential pages and people), but that would eat into their profits.

I don't want strangers looking at the content I post to my friends. Full stop.

Seems logical if you're using their stuff, they get to do anything they want with what you put there. Expect them to read every word, and use it to make money.

Re: Facebook Disabled My Account After I Criticized Them

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Post by baash05 » Sat, Jan 23, 2021, 11:22 PM UTC

root_axis wrote: post #78

anp wrote: post #58

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They exist because they’re popular and because the currently successful ones acquired or strangled all of their smaller meaningful competitors using investment capital and money from first mover advantages.

Can you give some examples?

whatsapp. It's been drastically changed by facebook